Charity Cab Rides

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  1. AlterEgo

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    Simple question - how much would you pay for, say, a Pendolino cab ride?

    Could TOCs sell a one-off ride for charity to raise money? How much would it raise?
     
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    Depends on how long the journey would be - for something decent like a couple of hours probably say £100-200?
     
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    For argument's sake, two hours.
     
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    £200 would be my highest (although not for a Pendo of course, would have to be something decent :))

    GBRF were doing auctions last year I think but can't remember offhand how much they actually raised.
     
  6. All Line Rover

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    £100? :shock: You can't be serious?

    For a TOC to simply break even they'd have to charge much more than £100!

    1. How much would it cost to hire the train? Could it be earning more doing something else?
    2. How much would it cost to employ someone to drive the train?
    3. Supervision is necessary when someone is having a cab ride, so how much would it cost to employ someone to supervise?
    4. etc... etc..

    Of course, costs 1 and 2 would be negated if the train was in passenger service, but I highly doubt a TOC would allow Joe Public to have a cab ride on a passenger train! :lol:
     
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    Quite a tidy sum dare I say....
     
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    That would be what they'd do - you'd have be like Angelina and Brad Pitt to afford to hire a train just for a charity cab ride.

    Remeber you'd no doubt have some management with you to make sure everything is safe.
     
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    It's been done before. It's not actually a big issue as long as cab discipline is observed i.e. "don't f*cking touch anything" as a driver once said to me when I did my first Engineers Cab Ride.
     
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    Sounds like when someone giving my project at the uni funding came into the lab, first words I spoke...
     
  11. All Line Rover

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    Well at least he was straight to the point. ;)
     
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    That driver must get around - sounds very similar to something I've heard before!
     
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    I've had a cab ride on a service train from Kings Cross to Leeds and return. I had to sign some paperwork and a Driver Manager was in the cab with us. It was fantastic; they even brought a spare chair with them so we could all sit down. I was in the 2nd Man seat both ways. (125 there, 225 back).

    As for auction prizes. The ride that I did would easily raise £2000 and probably a lot more with the right people in the room.
     
  14. notadriver

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    Also 'Shut up when I tell you' might be something he would ask lol
     
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    I would be happy to have someone ride with me as long as everything was done above board. I am sure it would mean a DTM in the cab too and under strict instructions too keep quiet at certain points and not to touch anything. I wouldn't have a problem with that.
    With regards to the OP question I would pay a couple of hundred for a Deltic cab ride on the main line. But I couldn't see me paying out much for modern stuff. I have driven HSTs so thats about the only thing rateable I would pay for out of the equation
     
  16. E&W Lucas

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    Extraneous (legitimate) bodies in cabs are a proven cause of distraction and operating incidents, so it is a "big deal" for a TOC to arrange a cab ride. As with any form of risk, the frequency with which the activity is performed is a factor, so the very occasional charity ride might be ok, but nothing regular.

    As explained above, there is also a considerable cost involved, as a Driver Manager has to be present. Not only is this taking them off other work, but their time isn't exactly cheap.

    Cost - this should raise a couple of thousand, minimum. It is is once in a lifetime opportunity, and there are some rich people with an interest in railways. I saw the GBRF auction, and the seller made a hash of promoting it. He should have had it in Rail, etc. and with a substantial reserve on it.

    To give a comparison, the NYMR sell return trip footplate rides for £295. One per day, and they could sell more. However, from the perspective of a driver, they are a monumental pain in the a***. Once someone has paid for something, their attitude can change, compared to those of you above who have been on locos as invited guests. I strongly object to the public in cabs, even in a preservation environment; it is a workplace, and the crew have a job to be doing. I certainly wouldn't be happy about it in the day job.
     
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    Are you happy to have route learners in the cab?
     
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    The difference with route learners is that they are trained in the cab discipline aswell, and would be unlikely to get offended if told to be quiet or even to leave the cab if the driver requires it, as was said - someone who has paid for the experience might take a completely different view on being told what to do!
     
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    I am pretty sure that anyone interested in railways enough to pay a sizeable sum in order to have a cab ride would be mature enough / sensible enough to keep quiet and do as they are told. They would be well briefed in cab discipline beforehand. If they were then found to be disobeying those requirement they would be removed
     
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    I don't doubt that they would be removed, but whilst the cost does act as an idiot filter to some extent, experience elsewhere does tell me that you will still get problems. Some people just do not belong around moving machinery. It's too late to get them out of the cab, after they have done something daft at a crucial moment.

    To the best of my knowledge, only two of the major heritage lines sell cab rides on locos in passenger service. Superficially, it is easy money, to people who are always in need of it. That more places don't, suggests that they can see the pitfalls. Personally, it is something that I think verges on unsafe practice. Unwise, definitely.
     
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    But most heritage outfits sell 'driver' experiences.
     
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    I paid £5 to drive shunter 13079 (08 064) at the NRM; albeit for a very short time it was great fun and I can now rightly say I have driven a loco.

    I certainly wouldn't by contrast pay £200 to sit in a cab and be told not to touch anything.
     
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    RE: Scarby - my point exactly....
     
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    Totally different scenario. They are supposed to take place when the line is closed to other traffic, or on an isolated stretch (I know some do not comply with this guidance). In all cases, it is a light loco, or ECS train.
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    Seconded!
     
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    I don't think cab rides are unsafe. If they were, it wouldn't be allowed.

    I do take the point of an earlier post, though. My cab ride was free and the driver (who I knew) and the DM were both excellent and added hugely to the experience. I also know that the DM enjoyed doing it. And has done 'plenty' over the years.

    However, if somebody pays it sets an expectation level and the experience could rarely be the same. You never really know much about the person until they pitch up. Rich, or not, some people are just arses. A train cab is not the place to argue the toss if you don't like something.
     
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    I'm beginning to understand the difference between a free cab ride and difficulties which might occur if someone has paid for one now.

    E & W lucas : I wasn't aware that the driver experience days had to be a non-passenger service or on a day when the railway was shut down. Is this a HSE requirement? Of course trainee train drivers drive real in service passenger trains at timetabled speeds :)
     
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    http://www.heritagerailways.com/Guidance/HGR-P0036-Is01-FootplateExperienceCourses.pdf

    This is "guidance", but if you notice who has endorsed the document, it's guidance that you take notice of!

    Common sense, and the railway's wider Safety Case, also come into it.

    Please note from the above, that driver experiences are in no way to be regarded as any form of training. They are purely a form of entertainment,something that is obvious to anyone with any sort of railway experience.

    If asked before I experienced it, in the preservation context, I would not have had any objection to selling a controlled number of footplate passes (providing that certain criteria, eg loco used, and no rookie firemen, were met). However, having seen what happens in practice, I'd go as far as to say that it wants a stop putting to it. As another has posted above, there's too many idiots with money.
     
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    I've had a cab ride once before now, although it was in the rear cab and lasted for only a couple of minutes, but it was an excellent experience. Under raffle or similar conditions I would be happy to pay £10 for it (being a raffle costs would be low; I've never paid more than £2.50 for a raffle!), whereas otherwise although I would think that £200 might be asking a bit much I would certainly go into triple figures.

    It would depend on the stock though. If something like a Deltic or HST, the "£200 might be asking a bit much" bit would be deleted! By contrast, in some cases, e.g. a 313, I would refuse the £100.

    By the way, is a cab ride possible in a PPM? Would it constitute in the conductor's chair?
     
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    Have you been in the PPM? Just stand behind the driver!
     
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    Hadn't thought of that! Never needed to stand on it. Mind you, is there even any point? You can see out front and half of the dials from the end seats anyway...
     
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    How things have changed,im 48 and from from about the age of 5 to 15 i used to go on freight cab rides any weekend or school holiday i wanted.My dad worked on railways and i went with him no one bothered,if he was shunting i would go with other drivers or stay in cab on the docks.Just wish i had got a drivers job years ago when all you needed was to no someone.
     
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