Charter fleets - early Mk2s

[Masboroughlad]

How many early mk2 carriages are still around and certified to run on the mainline?

I'm interested in the non-aircon Mk2abc design? Where are they based? Who owns them and what liveries are they in?

 

[eastwestdivide]

List of charter fleets here:
http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html
if that helps.

West Coast and Tyseley mostly for non-aircon Mk2s by the look of it.

 

[DarloRich]

plenty of MKii in the NR fleet

 

[Journeyman]

plenty of MKii in the NR fleet

I don't think there's any non-aircon ones though.

 

[FOCTOC]

I don't think there's any non-aircon ones though.

Theres a few.

 

[sprinterguy]

Theres a few.

I can count a grand total of 1: Staff coach 977969. The vast majority of survey or inspection coaches in the Network Rail fleet (excluding generator vans, and the ultrasonic test train) are either air-con mark 2s or mark 3s these days.

 

[sprinterguy]

How many early mk2 carriages are still around and certified to run on the mainline?

I'm interested in the non-aircon Mk2abc design? Where are they based? Who owns them and what liveries are they in?

Mark 2 Open Standard
14 mainline registered, 9 with West Coast (BR Maroon livery, Carnforth based), 5 with Vintage Trains (Chocolate & Cream livery, Tyseley based)

Mark 2A Open Standard
5 mainline registered, 3 with Riviera Trains (Carmine & Cream/Chocolate & Cream livery, Burton based), 2 with West Coast (BR Maroon livery, Carnforth based)

Mark 2B Open Standard
1 mainline registered, with West Coast (BR Maroon livery, Carnforth based)

Mark 2 Brake Open Standard
4 mainline registered, 3 with West Coast (BR Maroon livery, Carnforth based), 1 with Vintage Trains (Chocolate & Cream livery, Tyseley based)

Mark 2A Corridor First
1 mainline registered, with West Coast (BR Maroon livery, Carnforth based)

Mark 2A Corridor Brake First
4 mainline registered, 2 with Locomotive Services Ltd (Carmine & Cream/Pullman Umber & Cream livery, Crewe LNWR based), 1 with Vintage Trains (Chocolate & Cream livery, Tyseley based), 1 with West Coast (BR Maroon livery, Carnforth based)
5 also mainline registered as steam locomotive support coaches (2 in BR Maroon livery at Carnforth for use with 45305/70013 "Oliver Cromwell", 1 in BR Maroon livery at Bury for use with "Black Fives" 44871/45212/45407, 1 in Pullman Umber & Cream livery at Stewarts Lane for use with 35028 "Clan Line", 1 in BR Southern Green livery for use with 34067 "Tangmere")

Mark 2C Corridor Brake First
1 mainline registered as a steam locomotive support coach, in BR Maroon livery at Bury for use with "Black Fives" 44871/45212/45407

Mark 2B Generator Coach (Former Corridor Brake First and Royal Train vehicle)
1 mainline registered, with Riveria Trains (Riviera Trains Oxford Blue livery, Burton based)

Mark 2C Generator Brake Kitchen (Former Corridor Brake First)
1 mainline registered, with Locomotive Services Ltd (Brown livery, Crewe LNWR based)

There's also the two Household Couchettes in the Royal Train, numbers 2920 and 2921, which were converted from Mark 2B Corridor Brake Firsts in 1986 and 1990 respectively.

There are also various barrier vehicles for HSTs and mark 4 rakes, and DRS have two escort coaches in their "Compass" livery which were formerly Mark 2A Open Brake Standards.

 

[FOCTOC]

I can count a grand total of 1: Staff coach 977969. The vast majority of survey or inspection coaches in the Network Rail fleet (excluding generator vans, and the ultrasonic test train) are either air-con mark 2s or mark 3s these days.

Well you are obviously the expert, I just used to drive them or cook my food in them.

 

[Masboroughlad]

Some helpful and interesting stuff here. Thank you.

I'd love to see a full charter rake of them carrying INTERCITY swallow livery. Don't think (m)any ever did?

 

[sprinterguy]

I'd love to see a full charter rake of them carrying INTERCITY swallow livery. Don't think (m)any ever did?

There was one BFK, 17042, in a Landcruise rake (See below), but other than that I don't think that Intercity Swallow livery was widespread on pressure ventilated mark 2s (It may be a unique example).
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_08_2010/post-1625-128309563048.jpg

Some mark 2C BFKs received Intercity Executive livery for use on Crosscountry services to Edinburgh/Glasgow, but even these were in the minority:
https://80srail.zenfolio.com/p46631637/hFF58785#h71d40d6

There's more information on an old thread on RMweb:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/95580-mk2c-coach-liveries/

Well you are obviously the expert, I just used to drive them or cook my food in them.

If you can provide some examples as evidence to the contrary then that'd be helpful, but if ever there were then they don't seem to be in use now.

 

[FOCTOC]

There was one BFK, 17042, in a Landcruise rake (See below), but other than that I don't think that Intercity Swallow livery was widespread on pressure ventilated mark 2s (It may be a unique example).
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_08_2010/post-1625-128309563048.jpg

Some mark 2C BFKs received Intercity Executive livery for use on Crosscountry services to Edinburgh/Glasgow, but even these were in the minority:
https://80srail.zenfolio.com/p46631637/hFF58785#h71d40d6

There's more information on an old thread on RMweb:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/95580-mk2c-coach-liveries/

If you can provide some examples as evidence to the contrary then that'd be helpful, but if ever there were then they don't seem to be in use now.

As I stated, you're the expert. Im not arguing with you!

 

[HLE]

DRS for the Anglia/Cumbria short sets.
May have air con though

 

[richa2002]

Bizarre, FOCTOC. Why the attitude? Appealing to your authority means nothing without evidence.

 

[sprinterguy]

DRS for the Anglia/Cumbria short sets.
May have air con though

They're all later air con vehicles.

 

[Muzer]

Bizarre, FOCTOC. Why the attitude? Appealing to your authority means nothing without evidence.

I think he's being serious and not sarcastic when he says "You're the expert". Life on the internet is much easier if you always use the more generous interpretation when you have to decide whether or not something is sarcasm