Chiltern 165 at Paddington

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I was puzzled this morning to see a Chiltern 165 with passengers arriving at Paddington this morning, about 11.15... Does anyone know if its FGW service, or Chiltern service?

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Sounds like 1V28 10:44 Gerrards Cross to Paddington which is a Chiltern service. Not sure how regular it is.
 

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It's not really a Parliamentary service in the usual meaning of the term - the train exists to keep Chiltern drivers trained up on the route into Paddington, for when weekend services are diverted that way.
 

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In which regard it's rather like the c2c services into Liverpool Street and many other non parliamentary "oddities"- though some would say there aren't enough
 

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It's not really a Parliamentary service in the usual meaning of the term - the train exists to keep Chiltern drivers trained up on the route into Paddington, for when weekend services are diverted that way.
Oh yes it is!</panto>

It's the only regular passenger service between Old Oak Common West and Northolt Junction. That it runs (operating problems notwithstanding) five days a week is neither here nor there.
 

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The one time I caught it a few years ago at South Ruislip it was quite full and we had trouble finding 4 seats - I think it had started at High Wycombe or Princess Risborough. There were a couple of bewildered looking American tourists getting off at Paddington expecting to be in Marylebone.
 

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The up service is fairly popular as pax just get on as it's London bound and does not make much difference being only two more stops on the Bakerloo or could even be more convenient for some. The return however is likely to be empty.
 
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The one time I caught it a few years ago at South Ruislip it was quite full and we had trouble finding 4 seats - I think it had started at High Wycombe or Princess Risborough. There were a couple of bewildered looking American tourists getting off at Paddington expecting to be in Marylebone.
You'd get a similar situation when Thames used to go to Leamington/Warwick/Stratford Upon Avon. Often there would be tourists (usually American) who had got on a train at Paddington for a day trip to see Shakespeare and castle related things only to find that their train back to London was going to Marylebone. More often than not they would be unsure about boarding the train unless you reassured them that the two places were barely 15 minutes walking distance from each other.
 

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Oh yes it is!</panto>

It's the only regular passenger service between Old Oak Common West and Northolt Junction. That it runs (operating problems notwithstanding) five days a week is neither here nor there.
it runs 5 days a week. it is not a parliamentary service. usual parly services only run once a week. sometimes only in 1 direction
 

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I thought parliamentary services were defined by the fact that they exist purely to keep a line open which otherwise might be closed?
More than that in fact. Some parly services exist purely to keep a service in existence, such as Chiltern's late-night Stratford to Oxford services, or LM's Gloucester run.

Being parliamentary has no relation to frequency.
 

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I understood the Chiltern Stratford - Oxfords were done purely to appease the "powers that be" in Oxford who, when Chiltern took over the Stratford service from FGW, were aghast that they'd no longer be able to get back from the Theatre.
 

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I understood the Chiltern Stratford - Oxfords were done purely to appease the "powers that be" in Oxford who, when Chiltern took over the Stratford service from FGW, were aghast that they'd no longer be able to get back from the Theatre.
Exactly. And that's what makes it parliamentary: a run purely to keep a service (in this case through from Stratford to Oxford) open.
 

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It's to keep the flow open. If Stratford to Oxford is to remain open as a flow then either FGW need to go to Stratford or Chiltern drivers need to sign Aynho junction to Oxford. If neither of those happen then the service could disappear and be lost for years.
 

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I've been wanting to do Paddington - Kings Sutton via Greenford to South Ruislip for ages - Is there a service still?
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More than that in fact. Some parly services exist purely to keep a service in existence, such as Chiltern's late-night Stratford to Oxford services, or LM's Gloucester run.

Being parliamentary has no relation to frequency.
What is this LM service to Gloucester?
 

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I've been wanting to do Paddington - Kings Sutton via Greenford to South Ruislip for ages - Is there a service still?


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There is an 11:36 Paddington to W.Ruislip but you would have to change at West Ruislip, Gerrards Cross and Bicester and you wouldn't get to Kings Sutton till 16:12.
 

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Nothing, but as I keep saying that's not the point of a parliamentary service. It's to do with services between places, not just to do with physical bits of rail.
I thought that the definition of a Parliamentary Service was a minimal service run to avoid the need to go through the formal closure procedure when withdrawing a rail service?

The Chiltern service to Paddington is not to avoid a service closure. I don't believe they are required as part of their franchise to operate a service to Paddington.

Chiltern could switch it to ECS and there would be no comeback. They run the service purely to keep their drivers route knowledge in case of diversions. They choose to run it five days a week to ensure all drivers get sufficient time into Paddington. I don't believe it is a Parliamentary Service at all.
 

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There is an 11:36 Paddington to W.Ruislip but you would have to change at West Ruislip, Gerrards Cross and Bicester and you wouldn't get to Kings Sutton till 16:12.
13.12 surely?

11.36 Paddington - Gerrard's Cross 12.08
12.13 Gerrard's Cross - High Wycombe 12.30
12.35 High Wycombe - King's Sutton 13.12
 
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West Ruislip from what I can see. Then works 5H33 to Marylebone and then 2B32 to Aylesbury Vale Parkway?
 

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So one of them isn't correct. Will have to see next time I am in the Paddington vicinity at 11:30 whether the train still runs through to Gerrards Cross or, as per Chiltern's timetable, now terminates at West Ruislip.
Interesting.... just looked at the NRTT again online and the 11.36 has vanished altogether although the inboubd arriving at 11.32 is still shown... The plot thickens!
 
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