class 141s

[Llama]

That damage to 156489 wasn't caused by a collision with a 141, that accident damage was from an incident at Crosby Garratt in 1999.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

That damage to 156489 wasn't caused by a collision with a 141, that accident damage was from an incident at Crosby Garratt in 1999.

i guess you cant trust google

 

[Llama]

I'm fairly sure the actual driver's desk wasn't replaced in that unit (either that one or 490 which was also in a collision on the S&C) when it was repaired because it's still got a huge crack down the middle of it at one end.

 

[Neptune]

156489 was hit by a class 60 at Crosby Garrett after being derailed by a landslide.

From what I remember 156476 wasn’t too badly damaged by 141104 as it was low speed outside Huddersfield station.

 

[sd0733]

Not my picture but this appears to show the damage to 141104. It looks to have broken the body away from the chassis.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130370713@N02/20373836040/in/photolist-x3neDb

 

[Cowley]

Not my picture but this appears to show the damage to 141104. It looks to have broken the body away from the chassis.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/130370713@N02/20373836040/in/photolist-x3neDb

Well done for digging that up, I couldn’t find anything when I looked.
Initially it doesn’t look like much damage until you look a bit closer...

 

[berwicksfinest]

I have yet to find a picture of 141104 in service (not bent), so must have been bent very soon after conversion

 

[Neptune]

It was fairly recently refurbished when the accident happened. You can also look for 141003 for it in unrefurbished state. It was one of the original blue and grey units but was painted in green and cream by the time it entered service. It was the only 141 I never worked as I joined the railway after it was withdrawn.

 

[berwicksfinest]

It was fairly recently refurbished when the accident happened. You can also look for 141003 for it in unrefurbished state. It was one of the original blue and grey units but was painted in green and cream by the time it entered service. It was the only 141 I never worked as I joined the railway after it was withdrawn.

I guessed as much, but would love to see a picture of it in service in refurbished condition.

You and me both I started in 91 !!

 

[Neptune]

Found the local news reports on YouTube. 156476’s damage looks limited to the coupling and gangway connection.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjKmPG0ue_mAhWvzYUKHcR8AQUQjhx6BAgBEAI&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEwjvi_xsas&psig=AOvVaw0joyxOifSTk6pNgwHeE3-0&ust=1578416384819034

 

[sprinterguy]

I will try to give a summary of what information that i have and can find.

Here is the current status of all of them:

• 141 001 (141 102) - Iran
• 141 002 (141 103) - Scrapped
• 141 003 (141 104) - Scrapped
• 141 004 (141 105) - Iran
• 141 005 (141 106) - Netherlands
• 141 006 (141 107) - Iran
• 141 007 (141 108) - Preserved (Colne Valley Railway)
• 141 008 (141 109) - Iran
• 141 009 (141 110) - Scrapped
• 141 010 (141 111) - Iran
• 141 011 (141 112) - Netherlands
• 141 012 (141 113) - Preserved (Midland Railway)
• 141 013 (141 114) - Iran
• 141 014 (141 115) - Iran
• 141 015 (141 116) - Iran
• 141 016 (141 117) - Iran
• 141 017 (141 118) - Iran
• 141 018 (141 119) - Iran
• 141 019 (141 120) - Iran
• 141 020 (141 101) - Scrapped

So that is:

12x Iran
4x Scrapped
2x Netherlands
2x Preserved

As additional information, disposal dates for the units known to have been scrapped are:

141101/141020: Scraped at Wolverton works 07/2004, having arrived there from Doncaster works in 03/2003 after being bought by Cotswold Rail ostensibly as a source of spares for the Iranian units in 05/2000.
141103/141002: Scrapped at Wolsingham, Weardale Railway 03/2018.
141104/141003: Vehicle 55524 scrapped at Leeds Neville Hill depot 09/1993 following collision damage, vehicle 55504 met the same fate in 12/1993.
141110/141009: Vehicle 55530 scrapped at Wolsingham, Weardale Railway 12/2009. Vehicle 55510 retained as a spares donor for 141103 until also scrapped at Wolsingham in 03/2018.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

As additional information, disposal dates for the units known to have been scrapped are:

141101/141020: Scraped at Wolverton works 07/2004, having arrived there from Doncaster works in 03/2003 after being bought by Cotswold Rail ostensibly as a source of spares for the Iranian units in 05/2000.
141103/141002: Scrapped at Wolsingham, Weardale Railway 03/2018.
141104/141003: Vehicle 55524 scrapped at Leeds Neville Hill depot 09/1993 following collision damage, vehicle 55504 met the same fate in 12/1993.
141110/141009: Scrapped at Wolsingham, Weardale Railway 03/2018.

Thanks that is very useful

 

[berwicksfinest]

This thread has piqued my curiosity and a little digging wiki says the export to the Netherlands both were scrapped in 2005
Found the following image (credit to the photographer)

 

[sprinterguy]

Thanks that is very useful

No problem. It surprised me upon seeing DMUandEMU's list to realise that only four units of the class of twenty have been scrapped in this country, despite being withdrawn from service over twenty years ago. And of those four, one was due to irreparable accident damage early in its career and another two were after they had entered preservation.

No idea what the fate of the Iranian units has been, apparently they only saw about six months use due to being unreliable and offering insufficient capacity (Did that really take anyone by surprise?): The Iranians didn't have to wait for an arbitrary disability compliance deadline to see their Pacers withdrawn!

 

[sprinterguy]

This thread has piqued my curiosity and a little digging wiki says the export to the Netherlands both were scrapped in 2005
Found the following image (credit to the photographer)

View attachment 72431

That's an interesting find, thanks for posting.

There's a rumour that the two units in the Netherlands were intended to be exported to Cuba, but nothing ever came of it. For a small class with a short and chequered UK career, they've certainly had a colourful (and similarly chequered) retirement!

 

[mpb56125]

This thread has piqued my curiosity and a little digging wiki says the export to the Netherlands both were scrapped in 2005
Found the following image (credit to the photographer)

View attachment 72431

Picture from the other end.
https://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains/Brits-abroad/i-PbL7nvQ/A

Came across them by chance (At the end of a freight line) when driving around Holland looking for class 58's and Euro Sheds. If I recall they got exported for a private operator. Private operator seen sense and order Stadler DMU's instead.

Mark
https://mark5812.smugmug.com/

 

[mpb56125]

Found these pictures taken in Iran
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818299/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818315/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818339/in/album-72157625232744712/

MArk

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Found these pictures taken in Iran
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818299/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818315/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818339/in/album-72157625232744712/

MArk

Never seen that livery in the 3rd photo before, thought they'd all kept raspberry ripple. Looks kinda neat tbh!

 

[theblackwatch]

Picture from the other end.
https://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains/Brits-abroad/i-PbL7nvQ/A

Came across them by chance (At the end of a freight line) when driving around Holland looking for class 58's and Euro Sheds. If I recall they got exported for a private operator. Private operator seen sense and order Stadler DMU's instead.

Mark
https://mark5812.smugmug.com/

Interesting pics there. I tried to do some digging on what happened to these 2 sets a few years back, but never found anything other than a claim they were scrapped - but no details of where/when so would be good if further info were to come to light so I can be 100% totally sure. I did do a google earth/streetview search for them at Moerdijk which did seem to at least confirm they are no longer present.

Found these pictures taken in Iran
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818299/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818315/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818339/in/album-72157625232744712/

MArk

Having done searches in the past, I had never come across these pictures, which are by far the best 141 shots I have seen in Iran - well done on finding them. It would be interesting to know for sure if any still exist out there, although I suspect we will never find that out!

 

[Cowley]

Never seen that livery in the 3rd photo before, thought they'd all kept raspberry ripple. Looks kinda neat tbh!

I keep meaning to link that rather interesting thread you started about how far class 141s got from Yorkshire @61653 HTAFC...
So here it is (with all its early Pacer geeky facts and loveliness):

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-141s-how-far-from-yorkshire-did-they-get.140492/

 

[WesternLancer]

Found these pictures taken in Iran
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818299/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818315/in/album-72157625232744712/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/5381818339/in/album-72157625232744712/

MArk

Great pics - maybe a bid option when the ROSCO / DfT offered to donate some to community groups would have been to have pitched in with a bid to do a 142 in that Iranian livery? Maybe for some sort of pitch around international tolerance and understanding...

 

[ed1971]

The December 1983 issue of Railway Magazine carried an in depth article about the introduction of Class 141s in West Yorkshire.

 

[SteveyBee131]

The December 1983 issue of Railway Magazine carried an in depth article about the introduction of Class 141s in West Yorkshire.

I would find it an interesting read. Bet it might be hard to come by now though?

 

[ed1971]

I would find it an interesting read. Bet it might be hard to come by now though?

Here you go: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264658556580?ViewItem=&item=264658556580

 

[Far north 37]

156489 was hit by a class 60 at Crosby Garrett after being derailed by a landslide.

From what I remember 156476 wasn’t too badly damaged by 141104 as it was low speed outside Huddersfield station.

60017 involved in the collision wwith 156489.

 

[Royston Vasey]

Never seen that livery in the 3rd photo before, thought they'd all kept raspberry ripple. Looks kinda neat tbh!

Love the brushed metal finish