Class 170s/185s to Irish Rail?

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  1. F Great Eastern

    F Great Eastern Established Member

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    What makes you so sure of that, since as of Monday, the NTA were still talking about the possibility.
     
  2. anamyd

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    thanks :) I think I know what it means now :D
     
  3. craigybagel

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    Except with the caveat that Irish Rail doesn't have TPWS or anything similar (other then DART which does have a very basic form of ATP fitted), and that unlike AWS in the UK CAWS is not fitted on all lines. It only works as part of track circuited signalling - and not axle counters, which were used for the mass resignalling projects of the formerly token worked single track lines that took place since the millennium. As a result in many parts of the country there is no form of protection whatsoever, even on busy routes like Athlone to Galway.

    This might seem off topic, but it's worth pointing out that as a result of it's limitations, and the fact it's life expired a replacement both for CAWS and the DART's ATP is being worked on, which presumably will need fitting to whatever units are acquired (be they second hand from the UK or New Build).
     
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    I read elsewhere that Irish rail is 'developing' a replacement for their existing warning system, implying that they are getting out the breadboards and soldering irons and having a go at rolling their own. Presumably any future system will be a flavour of ETCS, or am I wrong?
     
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    https://cpcprojectservices.com/iris...s-jv-deliver-new-train-protection-system-tps/

     
  6. F Great Eastern

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    The deal for the 185s has now broken down - Eversholt could not give the assurances of the availability of the units in a timeframe that was acceptable and therefore it's dead.

    The 170s are not being actively sought at the moment and attention may turn elsewhere but it may well end up that the unlucky folks on the Emerald Isle have to wait a few years before they get new additional carriages.
     
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    what 170s...? what with some of ScotRail's having gone to Northern, ScotRail keeping their remaining allocation, Transport for Wales getting all of Greater Anglia's, CrossCountry keeping all of theirs, and supposedly all of West Midlands Railway's going to East Midlands Railway, leaving no 170s spare...
     
  8. TRAX

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    Pacers.

    I’ll get my coat.
     
  9. LOL The Irony

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    You say that but they may wind up being the only DMU available.
     
  10. anamyd

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    No, the UK Government are launching a competition to see the Pacers turned into public spaces, such as "village halls" and "cafés". They don't mind removing the Pacers from the tracks, but they don't want them gone entirely.
     
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    I agree, i honestly cant see the spare 170s being taken up quickly by other operators since their is alot of them all over the shop compared to 185s which are exclusive to tpe and not all if the units ate being binned by tpe anyway
     
  12. anamyd

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    what spare 170s...?
     
  13. RealTrains07

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    Soon to be spare 170s
     
  14. anamyd

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    which 170s will be spare...?

    of the 119 170s:
    • ScotRail have 39 (35 /4s and 4 /3s)
    • CrossCountry have 29 (17 /1s, 6 /5s, 4 /6s and 2 /3s)
    • West Midlands Railway have 23 (17 /5s and 6 /6s). It has been worked out that these units are likely to transfer to East Midlands Railway in 2020 once WMR's 196s are all in service.
    • Northern have 16 (16 /4s only)
    • ...and Greater Anglia have 12 (12 /2s only). These units will all be transferring to Transport for Wales starting from October 2019 once GA have a sufficient amount of 755s in service.
    So what are these "spare" 170s you speak of...?
     
  15. berneyarms

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    Can we please stop this nonsense.
    Pacers are not suitable for Iarnród Éireann’s requirements.
     
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    Well apologies i clearly wasnt aware of a potential future of the WMR 170s or the GA 170s transferring to wales. I guess we dont have many available 170s aswell then
     
  17. quantinghome

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    Unless Iarnród Éireann have a sideline in chicken coops...
     
  18. anamyd

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    it's fine, you didn't know. WMR ---> EMR hasn't been confirmed (but it's been worked out to be what will likely happen) but GA ---> TfW has been the plan since 2018
     
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    Interesting so many rumours flying about concerning 185 and 170 futures. All to do with EMR funnily enough.

    Hopefully when EMR give us more info regarding stock changeovers we then get a better idea on exact numbers of units available to convert and send to ireland

    I doubt it will be lots of hopefully some will end up with the irish at some point
     
  20. LOL The Irony

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    Duh. They have 2 choices - no trains or pacers and we all know which one they'll go with.
     
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    Buses replacing trains?

    (and I mean real buses, not Pacers!)
     
  22. craigybagel

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    Continued overcrowding. Its not that these trains are required for replacing existing trains, or for expansion on to new lines. The current service would continue, just with the overcrowding that goes with it.
     
  23. F Great Eastern

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    They'll rather go with nothing, pacers are not adequate for the types of services they need.
     
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    May I repeat my earlier post above?
     
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    Reading earlier posts, the 185 Ireland deal broke down, and I doubt EMR would want 185s either. 170s on the other hand, it's looking like EMR would want them, and Ireland apparently isn't actively seeking them.
     
  26. berneyarms

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    Ok right - very constructive comments.
     
  27. berneyarms

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    For which you have supplied no evidence.

    Clearly there is some possibility as the NTA are still pursuing the option.
     
  28. anamyd

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    What option...? And where did you find that out...?
     
  29. LOL The Irony

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    I would like to see you say something constructive but it only seems you can rip into other people's posts.
     
  30. F Great Eastern

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    They said it themselves in the last few days....
     

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