Elecman
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NTA trying to pressure the present manufacturer to give a good price for the extra carriages they require ?
Are 175s an option, since they'll be off lease in a couple of years?
Come on, we want to keep the Good Friday agreement intact. On a serious note, they won't be ready in time.Are 175s an option, since they'll be off lease in a couple of years?
Won't be soon enough, the NTA need some vehicles ready to enter service after gauge conversion in 2020.
The 156 is based off the MK4 carriage. They were built at the same time in the same factory.156 which are soon gonna be gone.
First thing, we wouldn't be "giving" anything away - the owners of the assets would be seeking to maximise the revenue that they can get out of them.If we give away decent DMU to Ireland...
bus car wagons like the 153 and 156
Bus car wagons? Assuming you mean trains based on buses neither 153s or 156s fit such a description.
My understanding is that the 155s (mostly converted to 153s), or at least their body shells, were made predominantly using bus components, but mounted on bogies and generally more subtle than the 14x units.
They also basically said no Alstom as they had already learnt that lesson the hard way!Come on, we want to keep the Good Friday agreement intact. On a serious note, they won't be ready in time.
Welsh cheese...? In all seriousness what does that stand for...?Won't they also need CAWS fitting?
Welsh cheese...? In all seriousness what does that stand for...?
thanksContinuous Automatic Warning System. It's similar too but arguably better than the GB AWS.
Welsh cheese...? In all seriousness what does that stand for...?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_Automatic_Warning_SystemContinuous Automatic Warning System
CAWS repeats the aspects shown by the lineside colour light signals on an aspect display unit (ADU) inside the driver's cab. The ADU continuously displays the aspect that was shown by the previous signal until updated about 350 metres before the next signal. The ADU then displays the aspect shown by that signal.
thanksCAWS = Continuous Automatic Warning System - the in-cab signalling and train protection system used by Iarnród Éireann.
Abellio is looking at taking the 185s for EMR, like i said before so other options maybe?
Ireland needs more 170s in this case
I agree. Re-gauging and fitting new safety systems isn't a trivial exercise and re-engineering of a similar degree in the UK hasn't exactly gone to schedule.Which is why those are the two options that they've been looking at. Either 185s or 170s that's been the case from the outset. It does seem that, at the very least, the 185s have been potentially discounted as they won't be available within the required time span. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar ends up happening with the 170s. It seems unlikely, to be quite honest, that any suitable rolling stock will be available within the timescales that Iarnród Éireann require them in to fill the gap between now and the arrival of new rolling stock (let's not forget that the whole point of this was they wanted something quick to cover until they can carry out a full procurement exercise for long term additional stock).
Welsh cheese...? In all seriousness what does that stand for...?
There aren't any UK DMUs going to Ireland. End of.
And you can be 100% certain of that because of what?There aren't any UK DMUs going to Ireland. End of.
I agree, it was doubtful enough to start with.
And you can be 100% certain of that because of what?
I can certainly confirm that no 185s will be leaving the UK.