Class 314 Withdrawals

Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by ash39, 19 Oct 2017.

  1. ash39

    ash39 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,273
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    With the Edinburgh-Glasgow QS services going over to EMU's in the near future, and the first 385's now complete, how long have the 314's got until they are phased out?

    Is there a plan for their withdrawal, or will they just stay in operation until they have enough new EMU's to cease using them?

    I also noticed around half of them are in the new ScotRail livery, I assume any further repaints have stopped now with them being on 'death row' ??

    Thanks
     
  2. Registered users do not see these banners - join or log in today!

    Rail Forums

     
  3. mic505

    mic505 Member

    Messages:
    120
    Joined:
    26 Nov 2016
    Yes, the 314's are planned for withdrawal May 2019. This is dependent on all the 385's (which are replacing them) in passenger traffic by December 2019.
     
  4. SC318250

    SC318250 Member

    Messages:
    432
    Joined:
    4 Jun 2011
    Is it not only 5 or 6 that will be in service by end of 2018 with full withdrawl as mentioned during 2019
     
  5. mic505

    mic505 Member

    Messages:
    120
    Joined:
    26 Nov 2016
    Plan is 13 off-lease December 2018, followed by last three March 2019. Hence May 2019 confirmation of 314 withdrawal. Assuming that's what you mean.
     
    Last edited: 22 Oct 2017
  6. ash39

    ash39 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,273
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    Not as soon as I thought, for some reason I had it in my head that some were going as early as May 2017.

    Thanks for the replies
     
  7. 12CSVT

    12CSVT Established Member

    Messages:
    2,612
    Joined:
    18 Aug 2010
    Not unless you go back in time :lol:
     
  8. SC318250

    SC318250 Member

    Messages:
    432
    Joined:
    4 Jun 2011
    I wonder if quite a few more than the planned 3 may survive into 2019, with the delay of the 385 into service. Suppose it will depend gow quickly Hitachi can deliver them after the initial batch that were suppose to be delivered by this December.
    Am I right in saying that after Edinburgh to Glasgow 385s, that it will be North Berwick and Dunbar to follow before Cathcart?
    Will Shields be contracted to do light maintenance on the 385 to save having to send them to Edinburgh?
     
  9. ash39

    ash39 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,273
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    My bad! 2018!
     
  10. ScottDarg

    ScottDarg Member

    Messages:
    557
    Joined:
    27 Apr 2017
    Location:
    South Lanarkshire
    This article provides some sort of outline: http://www.railmagazine.com/news/fleet/2016/02/11/class-385-route-introduction-plans-revealed

    The article was published in November so these have probably been pushed back as the initial entry in to service has been delayed but it gives a rough idea.
     
    Last edited: 22 Oct 2017
  11. Carntyne

    Carntyne Member

    Messages:
    697
    Joined:
    8 Jul 2015
    The whole 385 fleet will be maintained at Craigentinny.
     
  12. Girner

    Girner Member

    Messages:
    29
    Joined:
    10 Aug 2017
    Last edited: 24 Oct 2017
  13. Carntyne

    Carntyne Member

    Messages:
    697
    Joined:
    8 Jul 2015
    No, they won't. Millerhill is going to be a stabling depot, much like Bathgate or Yoker. They'll be allocated to Craigentinny, which Hitachi are soon to take over.
     
  14. Girner

    Girner Member

    Messages:
    29
    Joined:
    10 Aug 2017
    I assumed (wrongly) that the Millerhill facility was the Hitachi one, purpose built while Craigentinny would continue to service HST's. I am also assuming (maybe wrongly) that all staff in Craigentinny will tupe to Hitachi as there will be a Hitachi ongoing maintenance contract with both the IEP and 385's?
     
  15. scotraildriver

    scotraildriver Established Member

    Messages:
    1,095
    Joined:
    15 Jun 2009
    Scotrail's HST fleet wI'll be maintained at Haymarket and Inverness depots.
     
  16. AC47461

    AC47461 Member

    Messages:
    116
    Joined:
    13 Feb 2017
    Location:
    RAYLEIGH, ESSEX
    Does anyone have an update on when the 314s may start going, given all the delays? I'm thinking of doing a trip up to the Glasgow area before they start going and wondered how much time I've got....
     
  17. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,328
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Definitely still in evidence in Glasgow. I think they're probably going to stay with us until at least 2019 (some were supposed to get withdrawn this year I believe). Certainly nothing to suggest any will be withdrawn this year.

    So you should have a wee while to enjoy the 314s yet!
     
  18. AC47461

    AC47461 Member

    Messages:
    116
    Joined:
    13 Feb 2017
    Location:
    RAYLEIGH, ESSEX
    Many thanks sir 8-):D
    I'm going to try sometime in June or more likely early July in all probability. Knowing my luck, something will rapidly change if i leave it till the Autumn.......:rolleyes:
     
  19. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,328
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    You'll definitely be safe in June/July :) and I doubt anything will happen by Autumn. The 385s to replace them are still not nearer entering service :rolleyes: (Which I'm actually quite happy about; more time to savour the 314s! 8-))
     
  20. Fleetwood Boy

    Fleetwood Boy Member

    Messages:
    106
    Joined:
    11 Oct 2017
    Local newspaper quoted ScotRail saying they’d be off the Inverclydes this year, implying autumn from memory. Given the hoo ha in the local press, I’m guessing they’ll prioritise getting 380s back on Inverclyde services with Cathcart Circle last place for 314s.

    They seem to have freed up more 318s somehow. One even went to Gourock this week.
     
  21. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,328
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Won't the use of 318s on Inverclyde mean short-forming on the Argyle line? I'd rather they just stuck with 314s on the Inverclyde than short-form trains on the low level.
     
  22. Highlandspring

    Highlandspring Established Member

    Messages:
    2,272
    Joined:
    14 Oct 2017
    318s have regular diagrammed work to Gourock and have done since December.
     
  23. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,328
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    I thought that was 320s or was it both?
     
  24. Highlandspring

    Highlandspring Established Member

    Messages:
    2,272
    Joined:
    14 Oct 2017
    It was both for a while but 320s are not permitted to Gourock any more due to issues with DOO station dispatch.
     
  25. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,328
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Oh right, so it's now a mix of 314, 318 and 380s then
     
  26. Highlandspring

    Highlandspring Established Member

    Messages:
    2,272
    Joined:
    14 Oct 2017
    Yes, that’s right.
     
  27. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,328
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Must get a 318 in on the Gourock then!

    Personally I don't consider the 318s a downgrade or the 314s much of a downgrade, certainly for the distance I don't think it's really that bad.
     
  28. Fleetwood Boy

    Fleetwood Boy Member

    Messages:
    106
    Joined:
    11 Oct 2017
    I’ve no idea where the 318s have appeared from. It’s only 1 or 2 at most, so may just be one of those things with them forming something of a mixed fleet with the 320s. I’m guessing the 318 going to Gourock was subbing for something rather than planned- probably a 314.

    I agree, extra short-forming should be avoided.
     
  29. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,328
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    One or 2 units I would imagine affects many services but if all the 314 diagrams were replaced by 318s, that would be a bit worrying.
     
  30. ash39

    ash39 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,273
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    I forgot I'd started this thread! Funnily enough earlier this week I booked some VTEC advances for July to go get my last 314's.

    I'm hoping the old SPT carmine and cream ones are still kicking about?
     
  31. Southsider

    Southsider Member

    Messages:
    393
    Joined:
    10 Aug 2015
    Most of them are still in that livery
     

Share This Page