Class 317 withdrawals

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  1. Electrojuniper

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    I hear the first class 317 withdrawals are imminent. Any more news?
     
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    Although that unit hasn't been in service for a good long while.

    Given that AGA have been having availability issues with the fleet, one would hope that that no further 317s are withdrawn until there are 720s in service?
     
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    They are non-PRM compliant so in theory either need mods or to be withdrawn by 31 Dec 2019. Franchise Agreement says 27 are due to have PRM mods as well as automatic SDO fitted. Other posters suggest only 1 has been sent off for mods so far. Taking into account delays to 720s assumption is that they will get a derogation to run post Dec 19, but no one knows for sure. Partly related issue - FA says platform extensions due to be completed at Hert East, Ware and St Margarets by Oct 18. NR say work will be done in 2021. Position of signal and pointwork at Hert East means cant SDO so it is 8 car max, which means 5 car 720s only. So either it goes from 8 car to 5 car service - which is presumably not acceptable - or GA needs some 4 car units, presumably 317s.
     
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    GA could keep back some 379s or bring in the 365s coming off ScotRail? Abellio have taken a liking to those units from what I have been told on the inside, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them exploring that option if permitting. But obviously until then, pure fantasy.
     
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    365's are not fully cleared for the West Anglia Main Line.
     
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    Would this be Bishopsgate Tunnel by any chance?
     
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    They can't run south of Bishops Stortford apparently
     
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    Being cynical, if GA brought in the spare 365s either to provide an accessibility-compliant stopgap to allow the 317s to go, or on a longer term basis to run the Hertford East service, Abellio could still claim “total fleet replacement”, which they couldn’t do if they kept the 379s!

    The 365 is possibly more suitable for Hertford than the 379 in that it has more standing room whilst still having a high seated capacity.
     
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    Brodies Kilmarnock have a contract to PRM some 317s. The first of which is there since last October. Any updates on progress?
     
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    All 10 ScotRail class 365 units have been withdrawn in the last few days, ahead of schedule. It appears Abellio (in Scotland at least) can't get rid of the units quick enough.
     
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    Good to know - thanks.
     
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    Believe a couple of lo 317/8 units are also at risk ........
     
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    Now that's a surprise... After all if they were acceptable for the GN why not Scotland?
     
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    Their reliability is poor so I can definitely see this. I imagine replacement with ex-TfL Rail 315s if given the opportunity?
     
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    I think it's still there, just been moved to the other side so harder to see when passing by rail. No other units visible, just a couple of HST powercars and various Mk.3s.
     

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