Class 317 withdrawals.

[317666]

Two pairs in traffic today, on 1258 and 1328 ex Liv St. The first of the pairs is 338/504.

508/501 are the other pair.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 28/06 1411 Cambridge TRSMD - Ely
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03732/2022-06-28/detailed

STP 29/06 1410 Cambridge TRSMD - Ely
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04045/2022-06-29/detailed

STP 30/06 1411 Cambridge TRSMD - Ely
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03732/2022-06-30/detailed

 

[47421]

339 340
0857 Stansted A - Liv St this morning

 

[Bikeman78]

339 340
0857 Stansted A - Liv St this morning

507+508 were out too but they were swapped out for the 1058 LST-CBG. They seem to be getting much more keen to swap them out.

317504 has done 5G44 to Cambridge so presumably it's off to the graveyard tomorrow.

 

[Railperf]

507+508 were out too but they were swapped out for the 1058 LST-CBG. They seem to be getting much more keen to swap them out.

317504 has done 5G44 to Cambridge so presumably it's off to the graveyard tomorrow.

Tiger showing 8 coaches on the 1654 to Stansted ..so presume the 317 pair still out.

 

[warwickshire]

317343 has just returned to Ilford E.M.U.D Depot despite having a week at Cambridge with 317502.
On the 5H54 1915 Cambridge to London liverpool Street move.
Possibly 317502 is also Ely Bound.
However Monday 27th June 2022.
Excluding strikes, bank holidays, engineering works etc. Has seen the first time ever during normal workings that in passenger service a 317 Hasant been in revenue earning service.
Either today or end of life now.
Have the 317s finished their working life before withdrawal??

 

[warwickshire]

317343 has just returned to Ilford E.M.U.D Depot despite having a week at Cambridge with 317502.
On the 5H54 1915 Cambridge to London liverpool Street move.
Possibly 317502 is also Ely Bound.
However Monday 27th June 2022.
Excluding strikes, bank holidays, engineering works etc. Has seen the first time ever during normal workings that in passenger service a 317 Hasant been in revenue earning service.
Either today or end of life now.
Have the 317s finished their working life before withdrawal??

Ie on Cambridge to London liverpool Street for some time. When normally booked on a week day.

STP 28/06 1411 Cambridge TRSMD - Ely
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03732/2022-06-28/detailed

STP 29/06 1410 Cambridge TRSMD - Ely
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04045/2022-06-29/detailed

STP 30/06 1411 Cambridge TRSMD - Ely
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03732/2022-06-30/detailed

Locomotive for today's move still hasn't left Derby. Maybe the ely moves are just Wednesday and Thursday.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 29/06 0L47 0856 Derby RTC - Cambridge TRSMD
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R02069/2022-06-29/detailed

 

[Railperf]

317343 has just returned to Ilford E.M.U.D Depot despite having a week at Cambridge with 317502.
On the 5H54 1915 Cambridge to London liverpool Street move.
Possibly 317502 is also Ely Bound.
However Monday 27th June 2022.
Excluding strikes, bank holidays, engineering works etc. Has seen the first time ever during normal workings that in passenger service a 317 Hasant been in revenue earning service.
Either today or end of life now.
Have the 317s finished their working life before withdrawal??

I wouldn't rule out the odd 317 working or two in the coming weeks...but it is looking ominous now! How long before driver licence for them runs out due to not driving them for a while?

 

[warwickshire]

I wouldn't rule out the odd 317 working or two in the coming weeks...but it is looking ominous now! How long before driver licence for them runs out due to not driving them for a while?

6 months plenty of time. Same here but don't turn up and expect one.
Maybe a few trips then replaced on day with a 720. Or on Stansted no 745. Or 720.
However as mentioned on the 720 thread a 720 into service today to release another 720 to replace a 317 east side. Hence this week the urgent rush to replace. But sad as another era ends ie 317 and no farewell tour. Instead expect a rare odd use on the Stansted.

 

[warwickshire]

6 months plenty of time. Same here but don't turn up and expect one.
Maybe a few trips then replaced on day with a 720. Or on Stansted no 745. Or 720.
However as mentioned on the 720 thread a 720 into service today to release another 720 to replace a 317 east side. Hence this week the urgent rush to replace. But sad as another era ends ie 317 and no farewell tour. Instead expect a rare odd use on the Stansted.

Ie 317 West side

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I haven’t seen any 317s out, and I’ve been around Liverpool Street, Stratford and Tottenham Hale since 9am

 

[physics34]

I haven’t seen any 317s out, and I’ve been around Liverpool Street, Stratford and Tottenham Hale since 9am

Im on way to liverpool street now (trying out the Liz line on the way), thats bad news if there are no 317s. Hopefully i see the 315s and maybe 321/2s later.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Im on way to liverpool street now (trying out the Liz line on the way), thats bad news if there are no 317s. Hopefully i see the 315s and maybe 321/2s later.

Should be a pair of 32x on the 1302 Ipswich. Check Tiger Worldline Global which show departures from Liverpool Street and Stratford, and you’ll be able to identify legacy stock by the number of carriages.

 

[LA50041]

Should be a pair of 32x on the 1302 Ipswich. Check Tiger Worldline Global which show departures from Liverpool Street and Stratford, and you’ll be able to identify legacy stock by the number of carriages.

correct, 321313/325 on 1302. 1402 from LST should have 321903/2321307/321305 and 321902/321302 on 1436 from LST in the next couple of hours
No 317's out today at all from what I can see

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

correct, 321313/325 on 1302. 1402 from LST should have 321903/2321307/321305 and 321902/321302 on 1436 from LST in the next couple of hours
No 317's out today at all from what I can see

I believe 720585 was supposed to be covering a 317 diagram today (it was a 317 several weeks ago), although it turned up as 560. Annoying for me as I needed the former!

 

[Bikeman78]

I wouldn't rule out the odd 317 working or two in the coming weeks...but it is looking ominous now! How long before driver licence for them runs out due to not driving them for a while?

Traction knowledge last six months and I have seen trainees on them until quite recently.

317501+317506 have gone to Cambridge today so I assume that 501/502/504/506 are in the bin. That leaves 317507/508/510/337-340/343 available for service. All depends on class 745 availability I guess. If yesterday turns out to be the end then a final blast on the Stansted Express is a good way to go. Shame that Greater Anglia has had literally zero interest in organising any sort of farewell.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Shame that Greater Anglia has had literally zero interest in organising any sort of farewell.

A fanfare only draws attention to the fact their old trains have limped on into mid 2022. They should have been gone by about 2019.

 

[Bikeman78]

A fanfare only draws attention to the fact their old trains have limped on into mid 2022. They should have been gone by about 2019.

Were they really supposed to be gone that long ago? I've lost track. Either way, plenty of other trains that have outlasted their welcome have had a farewell run. As an example, I'd expect Merseyrail to give the 507/508 a proper send off. The 313s and 455s had farewell tours.

 

[Railperf]

Class 720 reliability is improving according to Modern Railways TIN watch. GA seem more interested in getting the new fleet going. There were no farewells for the Class 90's or Class 360's. I would imagine future publicity events will be focused on a 'faster' timetable.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Class 720 reliability is improving according to Modern Railways TIN watch. GA seem more interested in getting the new fleet going. There were no farewells for the Class 90's or Class 360's. I would imagine future publicity events will be focused on a 'faster' timetable.

Quite - it seems like the 745s are the problematic fleet at the moment - the Aventras are thriving today, with the vast majority of East sets in pairs (there was an obscene number of singles some months back)

 

[dannyh73]

Class 720 reliability is improving according to Modern Railways TIN watch. GA seem more interested in getting the new fleet going. There were no farewells for the Class 90's or Class 360's. I would imagine future publicity events will be focused on a 'faster' timetable.

The Class 90s and 360s were withdrawn from GA service during the pandemic which ruled out any tours, special workings etc. Hopefully we'll see some specials over the GA network for the 317 or 321 (and parts of it for the 315s when they are retired from TFL)

 

[physics34]

Should be a pair of 32x on the 1302 Ipswich. Check Tiger Worldline Global which show departures from Liverpool Street and Stratford, and you’ll be able to identify legacy stock by the number of carriages.

Got 12 car on 17.12 liv St to Clacton including a 322 in the middle. Apologies, got no numbers

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Got 12 car on 17.12 liv St to Clacton including a 322 in the middle. Apologies, got no numbers

No need to apologise to me; I have no interest in the old stuff whatsoever Happy to see the 317s finally withdrawn if that’s what’s happened, as I often turn up at Liverpool Street with battery dying fast, and was sick of having nowhere to charge it onboard.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 29/06 0L47 0856 Derby RTC - Cambridge TRSMD
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R02069/2022-06-29/detailed

Dep 0845 37884

 

[LA50041]

Looks like there are no 317's out again today

 

[warwickshire]

No need to apologise to me; I have no interest in the old stuff whatsoever Happy to see the 317s finally withdrawn if that’s what’s happened, as I often turn up at Liverpool Street with battery dying fast, and was sick of having nowhere to charge it onboard.

Looking like they have. However not some happy people out there.
However concentrated on 455. Forgot or left 317 way late. End result has happened. However highly likely withdrawn. Monday 27 th June despite way late on saw both 317s substituted.
So looking way like it. However 317343 is at Ilford E.M.U.D the one with the sticker. Originally told they ended the end of June. Slightly possible just maybe 317343 could appear once more end of week before withdrawal? However Abeillo Anglia might not want any fanfare. Especially as services are now busy. Personally as what happened at the end of November 2020.
Just like 142 and at least a small farewell did occur at Manchester Victoria. Same has occurred end of June 2022. 317s have slipped away quietly into the night. Nothing. Also looking like the permit only and anti enthusiast enforcement at London liverpool Street who don't want the hassle at London liverpool Street of a last minute farewell don't want it to happen. However looking like they have gone into the night very quietly.

 

[Bikeman78]

Especially as services are now busy.

This is definitely true. It's unfortunate that the worst trains are those to Hertford East which can only be single class 720s. Logically they would rework the diagrams so that they are self contained and put pairs of 317s on there until the platforms are lengthened at Hertford. I know I've said this before but imagine the chaos if Covid had not happened. How have they got this so badly wrong?

 

[Jturner98]

Anyone know what unit went to Ely today?

 

[3973EXL]

5G46 37884 317502/504