Class 319's into storage/withdrawals tracker

[AM9]

On DC motored multiple units especially a lot of the sound is mechanical rather than electrical, in contrast to AC motors.

Not necessarily. Although the DC motors have commutators and brushes which make a bit more noise than the ac's slip rings, either of those would be drowned out by the drive pinions. The noise that the gears would make depends on their state of wear and whether the motors are nose hung or have quill drives, (even the newest EMU traction system generally have nose hung motors).

 

[Islineclear3_1]

will have to try and catch 319217 as i drove that unit in southcentral days

its was working 11.08 Suo - Bfr today

 

[Islineclear3_1]

will have to try and catch 319217 as i drove that unit in southcentral days

On 217 now, get it while u can

 

[urpert]

319217+319435 currently on this diagram:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G48748/2017/08/20/advanced

 

[Class 170101]

37884 seems to have moved 319421 from Long Marson to Leicester yesterday. Just a guess, but the first of the five destined for ATW as a class 769?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132532456@N07/36527333711/

List has been updated. Strange one here?

Perhaps MML wiring is being extended north of Kettring afetr all

 

[D7666]

Not necessarily. Although the DC motors have commutators and brushes which make a bit more noise than the ac's slip rings, either of those would be drowned out by the drive pinions. The noise that the gears would make depends on their state of wear and whether the motors are nose hung or have quill drives, (even the newest EMU traction system generally have nose hung motors).

Slip rings????

Sorry thats completely wrong.

ALL UK EMU with AC motors are three phase ASYNCHRONOUS type (aka "squirrel cage"). There is no mechanical or electrical contact between stator and rotor, only induced magnetic field.

Slip rings are generally a feature of synchronous not asynchronous motors, and no GB EMU type has these.

SNCF is really the only serious user of synchronous motors, but even 373s have a-synchronous motors. I think I'm right in saing the only synchronous motor electric traction to have run in GB in recent years were the SNCF BB22200 used by RfD on tunnel freight. Nothing, if anything (?) before that nor since.

And I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before.


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Nick

 

[D7666]

Brakes definitely do, as the trains don't have to have barrier wagons to provide additional braking force. That is one of ROG's (the operator's) selling points as far as I can remember. Motors won't be working - the train is electrically dead, what you are probably hearing are things like the motor gearing and indeed the motor itself being spun around, but it won't be powered.

It's far simpler than that to work out.

If wired route See if the pantograph is raised on the 319!!!!

If third rail has it goes shoes, which it won't if it's going for storage and need a loco to get it there.

If not, then it MUST be dead.



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Nick

 

[urpert]

Also, to my surprise, I could hear that this working is a 319:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G47951/2017/08/21/advanced

 

[sharpinf]

For anyone interested it seems to be 435 / 217 and 440 / 443 out today. The diagrams have been posted in 'another place'

 

[D7666]

Slip rings????

Sorry thats completely wrong.

ALL UK EMU with AC motors are three phase ASYNCHRONOUS type (aka "squirrel cage"). There is no mechanical or electrical contact between stator and rotor, only induced magnetic field.

Slip rings are generally a feature of synchronous not asynchronous motors, and no GB EMU type has these.

SNCF is really the only serious user of synchronous motors, but even 373s have a-synchronous motors. I think I'm right in saing the only synchronous motor electric traction to have run in GB in recent years were the SNCF BB22200 used by RfD on tunnel freight. Nothing, if anything (?) before that nor since.

And I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before.


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Nick

I'll correct myself.

sncf bb22200 don't have synchronous motors either.

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Nick

 

[Class455]

Something is due to depart from Long Marston later today to Leicester L.I.P. Could probably be 37884+ a 319.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R57592/2017/08/21/advanced

Also, there is a move planned for Wednesday from Bedford to Long Marston.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C00006/2017/08/23/advanced

 

[Class319&373]

We're now down two 319s, I have no idea which units they were though. There was supposed to be a storage move at the usual 1000 this morning from Hornsey, but it was cancelled then reschedule for 1500 randomly so I missed it. Also there are two more moves tomorrow and Wednesday from Bedford Cauldwell, which will bring the fleet down to only 6.

Cancelled one: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C00006/2017/08/21/advanced

Rescheduled one: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O21169/2017/08/21/advanced

 

[Class455]

We're now down two 319s, I have no idea which units they were though. There was supposed to be a storage move at the usual 1000 this morning from Hornsey, but it was cancelled then reschedule for 1500 randomly so I missed it. Also there are two more moves tomorrow and Wednesday from Bedford Cauldwell, which will bring the fleet down to only 6.

Cancelled one: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C00006/2017/08/21/advanced

Rescheduled one: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O21169/2017/08/21/advanced

Today's move was 319436/449. I have updated the list to reflected this. Wow, an 86 strong fleet of Class 319's has been reduced to just TEN, that number due to decrease again this week.

 

[westcoaster]

Maybe my last time driving 319's today 801/802 diagram. Units 217 south and 435 north.
2E11 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E77 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 West Hampstead to cricklewood S.S

Thanks for 10 years of good bad and very cold memories lol

 

[physics34]

Maybe my last time driving 319's today 801/802 diagram. Units 217 south and 435 north.
2E11 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E77 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 West Hampstead to cricklewood S.S

Thanks for 10 years of good bad and very cold memories lol ????????????

I feel quite sad:cry:

 

[Class319&373]

Do we know which pair left Bedford? Tried to catch it, but my EMT 222 was put right behind it on the main line, so I've got no chance of seeing it now

 

[westcoaster]

Do we know which pair left Bedford? Tried to catch it, but my EMT 222 was put right behind it on the main line, so I've got no chance of seeing it now

007 on the north is all I know.

 

[Spartacus]

440 & 443 out this afternoon, 2O73 1414 off St Albans

 

[158722]

007 on the north is all I know.

319007 was last reported with 319010, whilst 319006 was paired with 319459 yesterday - all four being due off lease on the 20th - so an educated guess would be '010...

 

[Class455]

319007 was last reported with 319010, whilst 319006 was paired with 319459 yesterday - all four being due off lease on the 20th - so an educated guess would be '010...

Today's move was indeed 319007/010. 010 was the last 319 that I went on and the last with original interior so sad to see it go.

 

[Class319&373]

That's a shame the 1980s interior had some of the most comfortable cushion seats

 

[urpert]

Not to mention the last surviving Eddie Ponds (I think there may be some in ex-NSE hauled stock on preserved lines actually)

 

[Class455]

Can anyone please provide the final day diagrams for Sunday? I'm looking to try and go on a 319, hopefully 217 will still be around.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Can anyone please provide the final day diagrams for Sunday? I'm looking to try and go on a 319, hopefully 217 will still be around.

It was out Sunday just gone as previously posted... I had a ride on it

I remember this well in Network SouthEast days as 319.017 and then in Connexx days with the "creche" vinyls

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Can anyone please provide the final day diagrams for Sunday? I'm looking to try and go on a 319, hopefully 217 will still be around.

And Bank Holiday Monday please if any get let loose

 

[Class455]

I have found the diagrams for the final day of Class 319 operation on RAIL Magazine's Facebook. This will be Sunday August 27, none will be in use on Bank Holiday Monday. They are as follows:

BO801/802
5G29 09+32 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W29 09:50 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W36 12:24 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W43 15:06 Bedford to Brighton
1W46 18:14 Brighton to Bedford
5G47 21+09 Bedford to Bedford CS

BO803/804
5G19 07+05 Bedford CS to Bedford
2K19 07:16 Bedford to St Albans
2G08 08:10 St Albans to Bedford
1W19 09:06 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 10:22 Brighton to Bedford
2W51 15:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W58 17:55 Three Bridges to Bedford
5G58 20+14 Bedford to Bedford CS

Looks like the final Thameslink service operated by a 319 will be the 1W46!

 

[b0b]

Wonder if its intentional that the final 319 run is a full Brighton - Bedford run?

 

[physics34]

It was out Sunday just gone as previously posted... I had a ride on it

I remember this well in Network SouthEast days as 319.017 and then in Connexx days with the "creche" vinyls

I called it the ''splat" livery lol

 

[trainmania100]

I shall expect to see spotters lining the platforms on Sunday evening for 1W46 - myself included. I shall see it at Brighton.

 

[Class455]

I shall expect to see spotters lining the platforms on Sunday evening for 1W46 - myself included. I shall see it at Brighton.

I'm planning to get a ride between East Croydon and West Hampstead Thameslink on it since it's not too late in the evening. Hopefully it will not be too busy onboard.