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Class 321 storage/scrapping

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If they're happy to replace pairs of 321s with a single 720 then only 13 are required. They would directly replace 13 non PRM sets and displace 13 Renatus units to replace the other 13 non PRM. Have any 321 diagrams switched to 720s recently?
Not that I have noticed just yet. But only time will tell I suppose.
 
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If they're happy to replace pairs of 321s with a single 720 then only 13 are required. They would directly replace 13 non PRM sets and displace 13 Renatus units to replace the other 13 non PRM. Have any 321 diagrams switched to 720s recently?
Some pairs cannot be replaced with a single Class 720 as they split / join for part of the diagram.
 

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If there are new diagrams, I suspect they're more likely on Southend Vic/Cambridge services while the Aventras aren't cleared for coupling/uncoupling in service at present. It's more of a problem for Clacton/Walton/Harwich/Ipswich services.

Despite the derogations ending in 6 weeks, I do wonder whether some of those 26 will make it to 2022 yet. There will certainly be no rush for those wanting to sample a 321/322 on the Great Eastern.

So, 317s or 321s, which will be the last British Rail EMU in passenger service in East Anglia and will they make it to see (G)BR return?
 

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Some pairs cannot be replaced with a single Class 720 as they split / join for part of the diagram.
Yes good point but the displaced 13 Renatus 321s will couple up to another Renatus or a Northern 321/322. So there's the pairs for the splitters and joiners.

So, 317s or 321s, which will be the last British Rail EMU in passenger service in East Anglia and will they make it to see (G)BR return?
I'd expect the Renatus 321s to outlive the 317s.
 

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As posted on 315 thread
However whilst out on abeillo Anglia today 321340 is in the sin bin sidings at the buffer parked up ie rear sidings.
Pan up but no lighting inside.
Looking like not been used for a little while.
With 321441 on top.
So maybe 321340 is now long term warm store.
 

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Which sin bin sidings are these? There are many
The one at clacton Carriage sidings.
Where the maintenance Depot side is.
But right at the very end. Coming out off clacton Carriage sidings. Where it ends. Going towards Thorpe le soken.
But in the confines off the Depot.
However during may 2021 each unit parked up there 321405 321419.
Didn't return.
321340 is there at buffer pan up.
But lighting off and looking like not used for a while.
Also 321331 yesterday Friday 22nd October 2021 worked solo around 1130 vstp short notice move from colchester to clacton.
Whilst 321433 was also parked up at the buffers but at the station front entrance at clacton sidings from the road side there. And various others 321342 and 321440 was being swapped around with the retanus 321 ones.
 

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I guessed so, Thanks.I am up there this morning so will post observations later

UPDATE: So, having driven up this morning to see granny, I popped into the station and had my last unit for sight and photographs.

331 was in the former run round road in company with 433 but the two units were not coupled. The pans were raised on both units. The ends of the air surge reservoirs and parts of the bogie frames under 433 had recently been bodged black, so it had obviously been given some attention at either Ilford or Clacton and will be in service for some time to come.

427 was parked in exactly the same place in the back carriage road (with a Renatus) as when I saw it a couple of weeks ago. Weird coincidence as it was reported in service recently. Its pan was raised

335 and Renatus 320 were stabled in P3.

As I came by car, I was unable to see what was in the "sin bin" Up Carriage Siding. Was it 340 and another unit? I did not see 342 or 440 unless they were around the back in the depot.

The Down Sidings were unusually empty.
 
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Hey you're back...

On my fortnightly trips to Clacton, I haven't seen it. But I've seen 427 :D
Even better Friday the 23rd October 2021.
I rode 321427 to Ipswich it was on the front all the way on 1302 London liverpool Street to Ipswich.
Also active was 321430 on the morning am peak to colchester got it through shenfield.
And in the evening peak at shenfield 321426 rode it back from shenfield on the ex 1651 Ipswich to London liverpool Street.
So x3 321427 321430 321426 in service that day.
 

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I guessed so, Thanks.I am up there this morning so will post observations later

UPDATE: So, having driven up this morning to see granny, I popped into the station and had my last unit for sight and photographs.

331 was in the former run round road in company with 433 but the two units were not coupled. The pans were raised on both units. The ends of the air surge reservoirs and parts of the bogie frames under 433 had recently been bodged black, so it had obviously been given some attention at either Ilford or Clacton and will be in service for some time to come.

427 was parked in exactly the same place in the back carriage road (with a Renatus) as when I saw it a couple of weeks ago. Weird coincidence as it was reported in service recently. Its pan was raised

335 and Renatus 320 were stabled in P3.

As I came by car, I was unable to see what was in the "sin bin" Up Carriage Siding. Was it 340 and another unit? I did not see 342 or 440 unless they were around the back in the depot.

The Down Sidings were unusually empty.
Ref my post above 321340 was certainly on the buffers.
APOLOGIES 321441 was the unit on top off it.
Can answer for 321440. Due to 321331 moving up from colchester to clacton on Friday the 23rd October vstp on its own ie very short term plan move.
Took the place off 321440.
Which was seen with a retanus unit on ecs from clacton C.S.D to ilford E.M.U.D Depot at around 1350 approximately at colchester again due to 1302 London liverpool Street to Ipswich early at colchester had a chance to grab a quick video off this move.
However upon return at colchester around 1500 approximately the retanus unit had gone to ilford E.M.U.D solo.
Whilst dropping 321440 off at colchester earlier on.
Whilst returning onboard 321427 on the rear.
Before spending sometime at Witham and shenfield.
Then riding 321426 back to London liverpool Street.
 

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Hey you're back...

On my fortnightly trips to Clacton, I haven't seen it. But I've seen 427 :D
Oh hey,
I been on 427 myself on 4/8/21. I have seen it many times too after that date.

Yes I know :)

I replied for @class321's sake
Thanks :)

426 is still active and around hence why you haven’t seen it around Clacton since it will only be there in service or stabling overnight
So they haven't got rid of this unit. Is there still 26 non PRM units around as there was in may/june time?
 

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Oh hey,
I been on 427 myself on 4/8/21. I have seen it many times too after that date.


Thanks :)


So they haven't got rid of this unit. Is there still 26 non PRM units around as there was in may/june time?
Yes, but on reduced duties now and complete withdrawal of non prm dusty bins is due by December, according to modern railways
 

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Out off interest the past fortnight most days since Monday November 1st 2021.
Only one 321 diagramm appears to have gone over to a 720.
Involving the 0900 1200 1500 diagramm from braintree.
With only now in reality due to daylight hours for view from train the 1000 from braintree available same train does work the 1600 from braintree with a trip to southend in between.
My opinion is the next reduction in the non prm 321s will be the expected December 2021 timetable change.
 

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Oh hey,
I been on 427 myself on 4/8/21. I have seen it many times too after that date.


Thanks :)


So they haven't got rid of this unit. Is there still 26 non PRM units around as there was in may/june time?
321340 might be warm store with 321441 at clacton.
And that is might.
Only see 321340 at at clacton parked up at buffers very end off sidings Thorpe le soken direction.
321441 had recently joined it.
 

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If it's "by December", then my luck might be out for one more run/bash

If it's "by the end of December", then I shall pencil in a day
I think the deadline is the end of November. There are still plenty of them them about at the moment.
 

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Not seen it mentioned here but I was on 342 last week. My first trip on a non-Renatus 321 since before Covid, they're looking very dated now aren't they?
 

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