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JonathanH

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I could have sworn I saw 345 006 on the Great eastern side on Monday; has it moved back or did I mis-identify another unit?
No, 345006 was definitely on the west side - started at Maidenhead on 9P02 0516 Maidenhead to London Paddington, working in the morning peak, then disappeared for the rest of the day. Definitely out on Reading services today from mid-morning.

EDIT - ''disappeared for the rest of the day' = that diagram goes into Maidenhead Carriage Sidings - I don't usually bother observing those ones in the afternoon peak. Hayes shuttles yesterday,
 
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No, 345006 was definitely on the west side - started at Maidenhead on 9P02 0516 Maidenhead to London Paddington, working in the morning peak, then disappeared for the rest of the day. Definitely out on Reading services today from mid-morning.

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I noticed on my daily email it says only 2 Class 360s in passenger service today and 5T07 (9T07) came from Old Oak Depot. So a 345 looks like it's on its way to Heathrow.
 

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I noticed on my daily email it says only 2 Class 360s in passenger service today and 5T07 (9T07) came from Old Oak Depot. So a 345 looks like it's on its way to Heathrow.

Reported elsewhere as being 9-car 345004, making, I think, its passenger debut.
 

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That looks like the 13:02 Paddington to Heathrow T5. If so, I was on the same service! I had an entire coach to myself:

ZBq_K_Y69-IHcxVojEiUVxRqMzF9I-LkKUXtoBUBrhtcUJocEq3xWEIYcJULZMjk4yhG29C6LCpUI5uVnDN7gP9aoe0KlCba23MvLpPaPJ4ZwF_X2QX8agObc4thL8fw6j1bK2C-LSFDIztvgqUQ3LFAw7k7bOO7K7o0qbpsRBc0gCX1zod5QYZaW-ncXM9NeG2PYrbFEmJGogHxSMRvz1H0_pEipUC1j6T6dUPbLicOKPRPgRNvzie9SOawjMOrlL_as0ewVPmi5aoAqVscu_zr8VGuxGF5CUPZn6MjT3mi_wEZ6IWhXJYmcotKJAsLpqtdO4ppPW0N1vH2PYxD_e3p0-hqAGkFO8bcUCxXGNftsWWWaCrisS4kMI4zb9itff-WcS-QTv8vjlaDhKdiszgcX80uxXF9wQrL2eI5-TKRrdUOJrDrwM_hO4ikRkUo5gX9ZPCGfSDeb7zMUUTD2v9TghWbDzs7SpzoGjDLr9plURUNUgkXctPaX56Xll_PaTmZiKQUzVT-e02GqVnikUIRvMsegdr5rnAXwWmpN5bktuF3aljr0Br5psjk4MePnZ7-GgTKPLnP3tuL-6k74HUgJjp3gTU87GqrbIN5eacA96IulHcucrl3PEHpfimE0Q_R_c03v3KSDkik61OXMfowoOf5bdVq1dOj_lbxEH5eGQ4j6KYWsQLad30mYg=w826-h1101-no


Good to see that "Stage 2" of Crossrail opening (due May 2018) has been met, albeit after "Stage 5A" (Reading service, December 2019)!

I hope/expect that once the 9 car 345s bed down and the 360s are removed that the Hayes & Harlington shuttle will be converted into Heathrow services as originally planned. Even though there's low demand to Heathrow, I don't think there's anything to be gained by keeping those workings restricted to Hayes & Harlington.
 

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I hope/expect that once the 9 car 345s bed down and the 360s are removed that the Hayes & Harlington shuttle will be converted into Heathrow services as originally planned. Even though there's low demand to Heathrow, I don't think there's anything to be gained by keeping those workings restricted to Hayes & Harlington.
That needs Terminal 4 to reopen (or the units to terminate at Central and run empty to Terminal 4 to reverse).

The gain from terminating at Hayes & Harlington is saving a whole unit diagram all day.

If not for COVID-19 the service would have been 4tph Heathrow Terminal 4 since the May timetable change.
 

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That needs Terminal 4 to reopen (or the units to terminate at Central and run empty to Terminal 4 to reverse).

The gain from terminating at Hayes & Harlington is saving a whole unit diagram all day.

If not for COVID-19 the service would have been 4tph Heathrow Terminal 4 since the May timetable change.

I see what you mean re: a whole unit diagram being saved. So unlikely to happen until demand picks up...

But does T4 really need to re-open for this to happen? Heathrow Express are currently running 2tph to T5 - if TFL Rail ran 4tph to T5 then that would only total 6tph at T5 (which was matched before when Heathrow Connect regularly ran to T5 instead of T4).
 
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I see what you mean re: a whole unit diagram being saved. So unlikely to happen until demand picks up...

But does T4 really need to re-open for this to happen? Heathrow Express are currently running 2tph to T5 - if TFL Rail ran 4tph to T5 then that would only total 6tph at T5 (which was matched before when Heathrow Connect regularly ran to T5 instead of T4).
Probably Heathrow putting the mockers on it as it would dilute demand for their “flagship” rail service.
 

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Looks to me like something has gone awry on 9P81 1522 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington although it is on the move again after a 30 minute stop.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P62906/2020-07-30/detailed
That issue seems to have been resolved by running the next trip empty from Paddington to Heathrow Central and then restarting the inbound working there.

5T91 1602 London Paddington to Heathrow Central
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/42137/2020-07-30/detailed
9P93 1658 Heathrow Central to London Paddington
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P62934/2020-07-30/detailed

The next two cycles (1732, 1902 from Paddington and back) then ran fine. However, it appears that there was a further problem on the 2032 from Paddington which appears to have arrived at Heathrow Central 49 minutes late.

9T27 2032 London Paddington to Heathrow Central
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P63141/2020-07-30/detailed

I think the unit working tonight's test trip was commandeered to run from Hayes & Harlington in its path

2103 Heathrow Airport Terminal 4 to Heathrow Airport Terminal 4
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00032/2020-07-30/detailed
became
9P29 2134 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P62747/2020-07-30/detailed

The errant unit is returning to the depot as 5P27 having I think worked onto the Terminal 4 branch - I think this means that Heathrow has just seen its second 345 in passenger service.

Edit: The later workings appear to have been run by 345030.
 
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That issue seems to have been resolved by running the next trip empty from Paddington to Heathrow Central and then restarting the inbound working there.

5T91 1602 London Paddington to Heathrow Central
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/42137/2020-07-30/detailed
9P93 1658 Heathrow Central to London Paddington
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P62934/2020-07-30/detailed

The next two cycles (1732, 1902 from Paddington and back) then ran fine. However, it appears that there was a further problem on the 2032 from Paddington which appears to have arrived at Heathrow Central 49 minutes late.

9T27 2032 London Paddington to Heathrow Central
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P63141/2020-07-30/detailed

I think the unit working tonight's test trip was commandeered to run from Hayes & Harlington in its path

2103 Heathrow Airport Terminal 4 to Heathrow Airport Terminal 4
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00032/2020-07-30/detailed
became
9P29 2134 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P62747/2020-07-30/detailed

The errant unit is returning to the depot as 5P27 having I think worked onto the Terminal 4 branch - I think this means that Heathrow has just seen its second 345 in passenger service.

Edit: The later workings appear to have been run by 345030.

Had a ride back from Heathrow today on 345 043; surprised to see them running as didn't see the above posts from yesterday, but a nice ride back with the aircon set at a nice and chilly level....
 

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By my reckoning the following is currently correct - sorry for the gaps - bit out of touch!
UnitFormationWest or East
3450019?
3450029?
3450037East
3450049West
3450057East
3450067West
3450077West
3450087East
3450097East
3450107East
3450117East
3450127East
3450137West
3450147East
3450157West
3450167East
3450177West
3450189?
3450199?
3450207East
3450219West
3450227West
3450239?
3450249?
3450259?
3450269?
3450279West
3450289West
3450297East
3450309West
3450319?
3450329?
3450339?
3450349?
3450359West
3450369?
3450379?
3450387East
3450397East
3450407East
3450419?
3450427East
3450439West
3450447West
3450459?
3450469?
3450477West
3450489?
3450497West
3450509?
3450517West
3450527West
3450539West
3450549West
3450559West
3450567East
3450577West
3450589West
3450599West
3450609?
3450619West
3450629West
3450637West
3450647West
3450659West
3450669?
3450679?
3450689West
3450699?
3450709West
 

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By my reckoning the following is currently correct - sorry for the gaps - bit out of touch!

UnitFormationWest or East
3450019Old Dalby
3450029Old Oak Depot
3450037East
3450049West
3450057East
3450067West
3450077West
3450087East
3450097East
3450107East
3450117East
3450127East
3450137West
3450147East
3450157West
3450167East
3450177West
3450189Ilford
3450199Old Dalby
3450207East
3450219West
3450227West
3450239Old Oak Depot
3450249Tunnel
3450259Tunnel
3450269Old Oak Depot
3450279West
3450289West
3450297East
3450309West
3450319Tunnel
3450329Tunnel
3450339Tunnel
3450349West
3450359West
3450369Tunnel
3450379West
3450387East
3450397East
3450407East
3450419Tunnel
3450427East
3450439West
3450447West
3450459Worksop
3450469Worksop
3450477West
3450489Worksop
3450497West
3450509Tunnel
3450517West
3450527West
3450539West
3450549West
3450559West
3450567East
3450577West
3450589West
3450599West
3450609West
3450619West
3450629West
3450637West
3450647West
3450659West
3450669West
3450679Tunnel
3450689West
3450699Tunnel
3450709West

345001/02/18/19/23-26/31-33/36/41/45/46/48/50/62/66-70 are yet to carry passengers.
 

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Considerable overhang at hanwell for what is going to be at some point a high frequency low dwell time metro service
 

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345030 had been doing the honours on Heathrows today alongside 360202 and 360204 - still a few teething issues to iron out, set has variously had ETCS issues and DOO Monitor issues at various points during the day
 

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345030 had been doing the honours on Heathrows today alongside 360202 and 360204 - still a few teething issues to iron out, set has variously had ETCS issues and DOO Monitor issues at various points during the day

Is there a ballpark figure for how long the 360s have left?
 

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Our latest email said they hope to get to 4 tph to Heathrow using only 345s by the end of this month.
With the lack of capacity currently at terminal ,5 I would be curious as to how. It appears the platforms are pretty full looking at real time trains.
 

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2 tph could go as far as T2/3, then go onto the T4 branch and reverse without going all the way to T4.
With American Airlines and Quatar now using T5, T5 must be now getting busier. How long will it before Hex returns to 4 tph. Was
 

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till T4 reopens could just run 2 as central Terminators then stable in T4 to keep to schedule and avoid filling up centrals platforms?
 

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345059 kicking things off today on the 0532 PAD-T5.

Friends 360202+204 are out.
 

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345059 kicking things off today on the 0532 PAD-T5.

Friends 360202+204 are out.
Are you sure? First 345 cycle looked cancelled to me. 5T19 ran from Old Oak Depot to provide a unit for 9T19 0702 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5.

Hayes shuttles both showing as 9-car units on Tiger this morning.
 
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