Class 365 diagrams? (as of "new" GTR timetable)

[Radley]

Hey all. As far as I know, there is a new-ish timetable on GTR today. I'm just curious about whether the diagrams for the class 365s previously have changed or not; if there has been any changes, please let me know. I'm not expecting to see a reply today (obviously because it's the first day of the new-ish timetable). Please don't worry, if you can't find anything!

Thank you in advance, and have a nice day. (:

 

[bramling]

Hey all. As far as I know, there is a new-ish timetable on GTR today. I'm just curious about whether the diagrams for the class 365s previously have changed or not; if there has been any changes, please let me know. I'm not expecting to see a reply today (obviously because it's the first day of the new-ish timetable). Please don't worry, if you can't find anything!

Thank you in advance, and have a nice day. (:

I have only seen draft diagrams, and the following is off the top of my head, so may be slightly wide of the mark.

The allocation changes to 4x triples and 2x pairs. All the former work peak Peterborough services, whilst the latter work certain peak Baldocks plus one peak (shoulder) Peterborough trip each way. 3x365s extra stable at Peterborough, with 4x less at Letchworth (though 2x 365 may additionally be stabled all day there to account for the missing Baldocks, as has been the case since March, which would add up to 18 diagrams in total, one more than hitherto). Meanwhile 2x 387s stable at Letchworth vice Peterborough.

This means some reshuffling between 365s and 387s over what we have now. In particular 387s now appear on some of the Baldock services, balanced by slightly more 365 activity on the Peterboroughs. One peak shoulder Peterborough reduces from 12 to 8 cars in consequence of all this.

In due course I’ll post the diagrams, when I get round to it!

 

[Radley]

Hey all. As far as I know, there is a new-ish timetable on GTR today. I'm just curious about whether the diagrams for the class 365s previously have changed or not; if there has been any changes, please let me know. I'm not expecting to see a reply today (obviously because it's the first day of the new-ish timetable).

Thank you in advance, and have a nice day. (:

I have only seen draft diagrams, and the following is off the top of my head, so may be slightly wide of the mark.

The allocation changes to 4x triples and 2x pairs. All the former work peak Peterborough services, whilst the latter work certain peak Baldocks plus one peak (shoulder) Peterborough trip each way. 3x365s extra stable at Peterborough, with 4x less at Letchworth (though 2x 365 may additionally be stabled all day there to account for the missing Baldocks, as has been the case since March, which would add up to 18 diagrams in total, one more than hitherto). Meanwhile 2x 387s stable at Letchworth vice Peterborough.

This means some reshuffling between 365s and 387s over what we have now. In particular 387s now appear on some of the Baldock services, balanced by slightly more 365 activity on the Peterboroughs. One peak shoulder Peterborough reduces from 12 to 8 cars in consequence of all this.

In due course I’ll post the diagrams, when I get round to it!

Thank you ever so much!

Cheers

Daryl

 

[bramling]

Thank you ever so much!

Cheers

Daryl

Rather than post the diagrams here are the 365 services (less typing!)

1P03 0605 PB to KX (12)
1P05 0636 PB to KX (12)
1P07 0704 PB to KX (12)
1P11 0735 PB to KX (12)
1P17 0918 PB to KX (8)
1R13 0842 Bal to KX (8)
1P51 1842 PB to KX (12)
1P53 1942 PB to KX (4)
1P55 2018 PB to KX (8)

1P46 1642 KX to PB (8)
1P48 1712 KX to PB (12)
1P50 1742 KX to PB (12)
1P52 1812 KX to PB (12)
1P54 1842 KX to PB (12)
1P60 2012 KX to PB (8)
1P64 2112 KX to PB (8)
1P68 2212 KX to PB (8)
1R46 1654 KX to Bal (8)
1R54 1854 KX to Bal (8)

Everything else is 387, or in the case of some services missing altogether from the timetable compared with normal times.

HTH.

 

[Radley]

Thank you very much!

(are there any 365s on weekends or not? I wanna assume there isn't anything on Saturday, but maybe one or two on Sunday)

Best wishes,

Daryl

 

[bramling]

Thank you very much!

(are there any 365s on weekends or not? I wanna assume there isn't anything on Saturday, but maybe one or two on Sunday)

Best wishes,

Daryl

I confess I haven’t looked at weekends. The (proper) May timetable withdrew all weekend 365 use, however with only four 387s overnighting at Peterborough this would make it impossible to cover all three tidal flow services with 387s. That doesn’t mean 365s though, as they could do something with 700s - the May timetable saw some weekend 700/0 trips on the Peterborough fasts for example.

 

[Radley]

That's absolutely fine! Thank you for letting me know

Best wishes,

Daryl

 

[365 Networker]

1P53 1942 PB to KX (4)

Interesting to see a 4 car formation - they are quite rare these days. Was this in the last timetable?

 

[Radley]

Interesting to see a 4 car formation - they are quite rare these days. Was this in the last timetable?

Before the COVID timetable (when the timetable was normal) yes this was.

 

[bramling]

Interesting to see a 4 car formation - they are quite rare these days. Was this in the last timetable?

Yes it’s been there from May 2018.

The reason is that two triples leave London in the evening peak, but need to change to three pairs for the late evening services. Doing it this way saves having to run three separate ECS moves of one unit each into Peterborough Nene Sidings.

The first triple returns to King’s Cross and divides, two units return to Peterborough as a pair, whilst one unit remains “on the blocks” at King’s Cross.

Meanwhile a second triple divides at Peterborough, one unit returns to King’s Cross (the 4-car being discussed) and attaches to the unit left there from above to make up an 8-car back to Peterborough. The remaining two units from the Peterborough detachment simply then do a KX and back as a pair.

1P53 is not a busy service, so running it as a 4-car is barely a problem. Indeed all the evening up services from Peterborough are essentially glorified positioning moves. They’re too late for office workers and most people having an evening out in London, but do have some use for shift workers. They’re probably good for anyone after a decent 365 bash too, as most other 365 services are fairly busy, especially as the evening Baldocks are not running at the moment.

Incidentally there may be a slight error in the diagrams I quoted. It looks like 1P46 1642 KX to Peterborough is 2x365 with 1P56 1918 KX to Peterborough being 2x387. That’s what happened yesterday anyway, so I might have misread the diagrams! I’ve amended the original list accordingly.

 

[365 Networker]

They’re probably good for anyone after a decent 365 bash too

Yes, I must try and catch that one of these services soon (especially the 4 car one as I find that the motors sound much better in this formation) - it must be about a year since I've been on a 365. Hopefully this situation ends soon so I can enjoy it properly.

 

[bramling]

That's absolutely fine! Thank you for letting me know

Best wishes,

Daryl

I've had time to have a look at the weekend working. As I suspected due to the reduction in 387 stabling at Peterborough, there is a limited amount of 365 activity, as follows:

SATURDAY
2x365
5P83 0735 Peterborough Nene CS - Peterborough ECS
1P83 0814 Peterborough - King's Cross
5E20 0935 King's Cross - Hornsey Depot ECS

SUNDAY
2x365
3P82 1632 Hornsey Depot - King's Cross ECS
1P82 1655 King's Cross - Peterborough
5P46 1810 Peterborough - Peterborough Nene CS ECS

You may be wondering how this works, and the answer is that the following are 700/0, which are rare to Peterborough:
SATURDAY
700/0
3P80 1612 Hornsey Depot - King's Cross ECS
1P80 1635 King's Cross - Peterborough
5P80 1755 Peterborough - Peterborough Spital Sidings ECS
5J63 1932 Peterborough Spital Sidings - Peterborough ECS
9J63 1954 Peterborough - Horsham
9W90 2311 Horsham - Peterborough
5W90 0228 Peterborough - Peterborough Nene CS ECS

SUNDAY
700/0
5P21 0522 Peterborough Nene CS - Peterborough ECS
2P21 0545 Peterborough - King's Cross
1P10 0733 King's Cross - Peterborough
1P81 0915 Peterborough - King's Cross
5E24 1026 King's Cross - Hornsey Depot ECS

All other fast Peterboroughs are 2x387 or 700/1.

HTH.