Class 365 future

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  1. Nomad8459

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    Things do seem confusing with various ifs or maybes - i hear that GN is to replace the 365s but nobody really knows where they will go - the 321s will surely be up for grabs soon too - the East-West link i hear is to be wired though also, so trains needed there
     
  2. jimm

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    Didcot to Oxford has been deferred, not cancelled.

    Try looking in a dictionary - since when have deferred and cancelled meant the same thing?

    The DfT chose the words it used carefully in relation to Oxford and Bristol Temple Meads wiring, as opposed to Cardiff-Swansea, where the c word was used.

    Of course the new track layout at Oxford was designed with future needs - electrification and a rebuilt/expanded station - in mind, as has been noted in various places on this forum many times for several years. Network Rail has displayed diagrams of the Oxford area at public events in the city over several years now showing the new track layout with an overlay of the planned extent of overhead wiring.

    And the only place any Turbos released by electrification to Oxford and of Thames Valley branch lines will be going is to Bristol, not the Chiltern Line.
     
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    Try reading the text before giving advice.. I said "deferred" assumed cancelled .. and not assumed by me at that.. I had read deferred to be just that...hence my initial thought that the 365s may end up on Oxford to Padd services in the future...
     
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  4. jimm

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    And where did you say this was assumed by someone else, exactly? Your words were:

    There's no seeming or assuming about it - the Government announcement was very clear at the time it was made.

    Oxford and Bristol Temple Meads deferred, Cardiff-Swansea cancelled. End of story.

    Similarly, any prospect of 365s being used between Paddington and Oxford or anywhere on GW went out of the window when GWR did its sums and made the decision two years that it would rather have an all-new fleet of 387s and some more IETs than a mix of ageing 319s and 365s.

    And TfL has a lot of Class 345s that it wants to put to work, despite the delay to Crossrail, if any more emus are needed in the Thames Valley - see the Class 769 thread.

    https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...om-319s-initially-for-northern.138660/page-69
     
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    Oxford hasn't been cancelled yet. They said that work won't commence until next year CP6 plans take place
     
  6. Nomad8459

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    Semantics - goodbye
     
  7. Euan

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    Could the 365s be retained on Great Northern King's Lynn to King's Cross route to supplement the half-hourly service in the future?
     
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    As far as I understand the combined fleet (retained 365s + 387s) at GN is sufficient for the planned half-hourly King's Lynn service
     
  9. 33021

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    Further South East ...?
     
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    GWR then proceeded to order 319s.
     
  11. Along the bay

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    Technically there 769s but pretty much yes . Although for a different purpose than originally intended. It was originally intended for them to work commuter services from Paddington but the 769s will work reading area locals .
     
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    Yes it should be. There’s a fair bit of slack in the 387 duties at the moment, especially during the midday period.

    If any further 387 use is required then there are six units which work Peterborough peak services which could be covered by 365s.
     
  13. Euan

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    I see. Thanks for the info.

    Another possible use for the 365s could be getting 8 car trains into operation ASAP?
     
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    Noticed my first 365 with Wi-Fi last night. It's finally happening then!
     
  15. DarloRich

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    Did i notice a load of these parked up near Crewe? Are they being stored there pending future use?
     
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    On GTR?
    The majority of 700s that have nowhere to place a cuppa for a 2 hour plus journey still lack it
     
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    I was on 365516 last night which had operational Wi-Fi.
     
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    They're going to be retrofitted. I assume the 365s are currently getting it as I saw another this morning with the stickers on the door.
     
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    365’s could be finding work with Greater Anglia soon. The bay platforms at Wickford for the Southminster branch are not long enough to accommodate a 5 car Class 720. Been talking to a conductor on the branch today and i was informed that they have heard about 365’s working the branch line instead of 720’s. Watch this space.
     
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    O/T perhaps, but wouldn't keeping a few Renatus 321's make more sense? Using 365's might be more comfortable, possibly quicker off the mark but considering the branch speed limits, that's not important & wouldn't require additional crew training.

    What's going to happen re the rush-hour through trains, the down evening services seem to be an 8-car, a 12-car & one of the branch 4-car sets that's works (in service)
    up to Liverpool St. during the rush hour. If that pattern is retained, then we might 1 x 5 car Aventura, 2 X 5-car then what ever works the branch shuttles for the last train.....
     
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    Perhaps marketing? They promised new rolling stock. The 365s are at least new to the franchise, the 321/Renatus definitely are not. Perhaps rental charges also.
     
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    The Renatus 321’s will be going off lease as planned towards the end of 2019, .I believe the 365’s will just be a temporary solution
     
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    Utterly, utterly bonkers. Bringing in more different traction with the resulting training requirement whilst they are already going through total fleet replacement is just incomprehensible.

    In any case, given Bombardier’s inability to get the Aventras to work for TfL, there has to be a knock-on to subsequent.production. I cannot see any PRM compliant EMUs leaving Anglia before 2020, and unless Bombardier get their act together there will be serious problems come 01/01/20.
     
  25. Chris125

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    I'd have thought one of their Stadler FLIRTs is more likely.
     
  26. delticdave

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    Quite possible, but the branch requires two units, even for the hourly Sunday service.
     
  27. Doomotron

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    How about...

    Vivarail Class 365

    I apologise greatly.
     
  28. Wolfie

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    At least it wasn't class 442...
     
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    FLIRTS was just one of the options being considered but would need some imaginative diagramming to cycle them back to Crown Point, however they are the only new fleet that fits in the bays at Wickford. Also training a whole load of Southend and probably Ilford drivers on another rather unusual traction could prove prohibitive, so perhaps the 365 rumour has some strength. The Renatus project has been a bit of a disaster underneath the glossy new interior, won’t be sorry to see those go.
     
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    How much too short is the platform?
    Could you fix it with partial demolition of the station building, or would it require total demolition..
    I assume having to add another track to the adjacent bridge over the road would be prohibitive.....unless there was an operational gain from being able to operate the branch without affecting the down Southend line??
     

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