Class 365s to Scotrail

[Class465fan]

Apparently ten 365s are to be sent up north as the 385s have another issues leading them to entering r service later this year. Is this all true or complete nonsense?

 

[D365]

Apparently ten 365s are to be sent up north as the 385s have another issues leading them to entering r service later this year. Is this all true or complete nonsense?

Until I hear a definitive source I would give it the benefit of the doubt. Why only ten, if they're putting in all the work of route-clearing the 365s?

 

[hexagon789]

Apparently ten 365s are to be sent up north as the 385s have another issues leading them to entering r service later this year. Is this all true or complete nonsense?

If that is indeed the case, 10 doesn't seem enough to me

 

[Failed Unit]

If that is indeed the case, 10 doesn't seem enough to me

You need 8 diagrams to run the off peak Edinburgh to Glasgow route. If the 365s cover 4 maybe the have enough for the other 4. Anyway. That will be i believe it when I see it. Makes sense as any train is better than non. Stranger things have happened. 180s to northern springs to mind and it was true...

 

[Kite159]

The 365s are probably a good fit for the Edinburgh - Glasgow services, a decent interior and decent acceleration.

Imagine the uproar from the Falkirk commuters if they got offered 319s!

 

[Stopper]

Will the 365s be able to run as 8-car or not?

 

[SC318250]

Another rumour is that the 365 are to cover the Newton/Neilston/Cathcart services

If this the case then potentially the 314 could be moved to Lanark/Paisley Canal services with 318//320 covering Inverclyde and the 4 x 321 that were to be converted to 320/4 could go to North Berwick, until 385 are introduced.
314 maybe an issue with the fact 75mph compared to 90mph 318/320

 

[Class465fan]

Will the 365s be able to run as 8-car or not?

I don't think that would be a problem as they're 20m units.

 

[gingertom]

I don't think that would be a problem as they're 20m units.

from Wiki the 380s are 23m, the 365s 20m. 7x23=161, 8x20=160 so they will fit.

 

[hexagon789]

You need 8 diagrams to run the off peak Edinburgh to Glasgow route. If the 365s cover 4 maybe the have enough for the other 4. Anyway. That will be i believe it when I see it. Makes sense as any train is better than non. Stranger things have happened. 180s to northern springs to mind and it was true...

True, HSTs to ScotRail came as a surprise to many. It seems that ScotRail are going to try to introduce 365s on E-G services from the December timetable change if possible.

 

[hexagon789]

I don't think that would be a problem as they're 20m units.

They should fit, yes.

 

[Class 170101]

Class 365s would be better for North Berwicks as they are good at keeping ahead of ECML HST and Class 91 services at its southern end and are already proven in that respect.

 

[hexagon789]

Class 365s would be better for North Berwicks as they are good at keeping ahead of ECML HST and Class 91 services at its southern end and are already proven in that respect.

And then shift the 380s from those services and perhaps the Dunbars onto the E-G shuttle?

 

[jamieP]

Reports of a 365 moving to Scotrail soon.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Reports of a 365 moving to Scotrail soon.

Oh yeah, huh? Got a source for that?

Edit: Just realised this doesn’t sound too nice. Sorry!

 

[Southsider]

A report on the GTR 365 storage thread that one will be heading to Scotrail. Hopefully this will happen in the near future for testing purposes prior to a larger number arriving. I'd like to see ScotRail PR get their retaliation in first - stopgap measure, faster, longer, greener, electric, etc. before the "London cast-offs" boo boys get in.

 

[Stopper]

And then shift the 380s from those services and perhaps the Dunbars onto the E-G shuttle?

I’d think so. Although it probably reduces capacity on those lines in peak times as they would be running with 4-cars only.

There are 6-car 380 diagrams on the North Berwick’s and Dunbar’s during the daytime, pretty ridiculous. I’m surprised some of these haven’t been drafted onto the E-G already.

 

[gingertom]

if a bunch of 365s are indeed on their way we can look forward to some shuffles.

 

[mic505]

If the 365's are cascaded onto E-G route via Falkirk will they displace the 2 x 7-car 380's back onto the Gourock route, displacing the nasty 314's ("Please can you get rid of the 314's from the Gourock route. Nobody likes them. We don't even have like-for-like
trains like the 318's or 320")? Lol.

 

[GusB]

A report on the GTR 365 storage thread that one will be heading to Scotrail. Hopefully this will happen in the near future for testing purposes prior to a larger number arriving. I'd like to see ScotRail PR get their retaliation in first - stopgap measure, faster, longer, greener, electric, etc. before the "London cast-offs" boo boys get in.

It was hardly a report - it was posted with no source to back it up whatsoever.

 

[Southsider]

It was hardly a report - it was posted with no source to back it up whatsoever.

My first thought too but the poster’s previous contributions suggest he is reasonably well informed. Perhaps I’m just getting desperate to see some progress!!

 

[Fleetwood Boy]

If the 365's are cascaded onto E-G route via Falkirk will they displace the 2 x 7-car 380's back onto the Gourock route, displacing the nasty 314's ("Please can you get rid of the 314's from the Gourock route. Nobody likes them. We don't even have like-for-like
trains like the 318's or 320")? Lol.

There's nothing nasty about a 314 - I'd prefer them to a 318 or 320 any day.

 

[mic505]

Really. Why?

 

[59CosG95]

Really. Why?

Because he's entitled to his own opinion. One forum member's trash is another forum member's treasure.

 

[hexagon789]

I’d think so. Although it probably reduces capacity on those lines in peak times as they would be running with 4-cars only.

There are 6-car 380 diagrams on the North Berwick’s and Dunbar’s during the daytime, pretty ridiculous. I’m surprised some of these haven’t been drafted onto the E-G already.

Never seen the 4-cars full, particularly on the Dunbars. I think running four-car 365s on the North Berwick/Dunbars would be a good idea as it would enable more/most Edinburgh to Glasgow services to become 6 or 7-car in addition to providing a sensible use for the off-lease 365s!

 

[hexagon789]

There's nothing nasty about a 314 - I'd prefer them to a 318 or 320 any day.

I quite agree!

Though, 365s aren't bad either.

 

[hexagon789]

Oh yeah, huh? Got a source for that?

Abellio ScotRail It's been mentioned in the 385 introduction thread that ScotRail are actively seeking to obtain 10 off-lease 365s as cover for the 385s.

 

[Highlandspring]

Oh yeah, huh? Got a source for that?

There has been an internal announcement today regarding the transfer of one class 365 for evaluation.

 

[gingertom]

There has been an internal announcement today regarding the transfer of one class 365 for evaluation.

I take it they have already been route cleared for where they are most likely to be utilised?

 

[scotraildriver]

There has been an internal announcement today regarding the transfer of one class 365 for evaluation.

Indeed there has and no doubt Alastair Dalton at the Scotsman will print this and claim an "exclusive!" I'd be very careful about revealing the details of the memo.