Class 365s to Scotrail

[mcmad]

No chance of SDA being live by November. The Kerse road bridge isn't due for completion until next spring and they've only just announced the plan for Stirling station which required planning permission as its listed.

 

[InOban]

Exactly as I reported yesterday evening in #489. (Re the units to be used between E and G)

 

[InOban]

No chance of SDA being live by November. The Kerse road bridge isn't due for completion until next spring and they've only just announced the plan for Stirling station which required planning permission as its listed.

Since when? Kerse road is due to reopen on 23rd October. And I don't think the work needed to extend DDA access to the far platform will stop energisation.

 

[433N]

Does anybody know how long the lease has been signed for ?

(I am strangely excited at the prospect of seeing these on the E&G - more so than the 385s)

 

[gordonjahn]

Does anybody know how long the lease has been signed for ?

(I am strangely excited at the prospect of seeing these on the E&G - more so than the 385s)

I agree - these are the surprise though! Also, I know they're not even in service yet, but with the solution to the 385 woes apparently in progress, I'm now wondering where these sets will end up after this spell on the E&G as I don't see Scotrail needing them, preferring to reduce fleet variation.

Obviously they are now cleared for movement up the WCML (for delivery runs, not necessarily in service) and Eversholt will end up with a sub-class cleared for service across a chunk of Scotland unless the mods are un-done before returning.

I do wonder if Scotrail might keep them nearby “just in case”, if we might see some open-access action with them, if their new found clearances make them more attractive elsewhere, or if it’s back to a siding.

 

[David Miller]

Very positive item on BBC Reporting Scotland this evening about the introduction of the 365s, with a live broadcast from outside Queen Street:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b57f6d

And here's the item on BBC News website:
ScotRail leases more trains for busiest routes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44383723

 

[sprinterguy]

That calculation isn't quite right - at the peak time there are four departures from each terminus making eight in total as you say, with each one doubled-up until the unit shortage started. So 16 units required in service every day, plus a number of spares.

Oops, of course you're quite right. I knew there was something very wrong with the figure of eight I produced, but didn't think it through. Post duly edited.

 

[The_Engineer]

Exactly as I reported yesterday evening in #489. (Re the units to be used between E and G)

Apologies! I overlooked that...….

 

[The_Engineer]

So far we have six units 365.509/13/17/23/25/37 in Scotland. Any news on what the remaining four will be and when they're moving up?

 

[deltic08]

So far we have six units 365.509/13/17/23/25/37 in Scotland. Any news on what the remaining four will be and when they're moving up?

Why all odd numbers?

 

[cactustwirly]

Why all odd numbers?

Because GTR have decided to keep the even numbered units

 

[yorkie]

This thread is about Class 365s to Scotrail.

If anyone wishes to discuss anything else, please post it in another thread (create a new one, with an appropriately descriptive title, if there isn't one already)

Discussion on the idea to have a Berwick to Peterborough service operated by 365s can be found here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ecml-between-berwick-and-peterborough.165568/

 

[Highlandspring]

The first 8 car, made up of 525 and another, ran the full length of thr E&G through to the Waverley and back last night.

 

[gordonjahn]

The first 8 car, made up of 525 and another, ran the full length of thr E&G through to the Waverley and back last night.

It looks like the front ends have had a good wash too!

 

[scotraildriver]

523 has gone to Shields now for pantograph repairs and fitter familiarisation.

 

[adrock1976]

The first 8 car, made up of 525 and another, ran the full length of thr E&G through to the Waverley and back last night.

I never realised that the overhead wires have now reached Tweedbank

 

[Voyager lad]

I never realised that the overhead wires have now reached Tweedbank

They haven’t...

 

[Highlandspring]

"The Waverley" aka Edinburgh Waverley station. Sometimes I forget I am writing for an external audience.

 

[Chuggington21]

"The Waverley" aka Edinburgh Waverley station. Sometimes I forget I am writing for an external audience.

There was no need to add "through to the Waverley" the E&G is Edinburgh Waverley to Glasgow Queen street

 

[Highlandspring]

Thanks. I'll keep it to myself next time.

 

[Chuggington21]

Thanks. I'll keep it to myself next time.

I didn't mean to sound like a **** been a long day. Others who like the info you give shouldnt miss out because of me

 

[Gadget88]

I’m amazed they are brining these old trains into service. Not impressed with them at all.

 

[marks87]

I’m amazed they are brining these old trains into service. Not impressed with them at all.

The alternative is to not have enough units to cover the peak-time demand.

 

[Hadders]

I’m amazed they are brining these old trains into service. Not impressed with them at all.

Nothing wrong at all with the class 365s. We'd gladly have them back on GN.

 

[scotraildriver]

I’m amazed they are brining these old trains into service. Not impressed with them at all.

With more class 170s leaving in July and No sign of the 385s what would be your suggestion? Just cancel most of the E & G service?

 

[adrock1976]

I’m amazed they are brining these old trains into service. Not impressed with them at all.

It could be worse or better depending upon your viewpoint in that it could have been Class 142 Pacers or loco hauled Class 442s (I believe there are 6 that South Western Railway will not be using).

Now then, where did I hang my jacket?

 

[adrock1976]

Thanks. I'll keep it to myself next time.

My intention was to inject a bit of light hearted humour given what has been in the international news this weekend.

I do enjoy reading your updates - keep up the excellent work.

 

[Ianno87]

I’m amazed they are brining these old trains into service. Not impressed with them at all.

Even if a little dated and tired, they are superb units with oodles of capacity.

 

[bramling]

I’m amazed they are brining these old trains into service. Not impressed with them at all.

What exactly is it you dislike about them?

They’re certainly not old - barely half life in fact - and have just recently had a heavy overhaul to bring the interior to as-new condition and make them accessibility compliant. They were nicer with their original layout (which was modified to fit priority seats) and carpet, but apart from that in my view they’re much nicer than a 380 which I find very clinical. The 365 also delivers a lot of seats for a given length of train due to a very efficient interior layout, and the heating is effective so you’ll be warm in winter.

 

[Teflon Lettuce]

What exactly is it you dislike about them?

They’re certainly not old - barely half life in fact - and have just recently had a heavy overhaul to bring the interior to as-new condition and make them accessibility compliant. They were nicer with their original layout (which was modified to fit priority seats) and carpet, but apart from that in my view they’re much nicer than a 380 which I find very clinical. The 365 also delivers a lot of seats for a given length of train due to a very efficient interior layout, and the heating is effective so you’ll be warm in winter.

forgive my ignorance, but as 365s were originally Thameslink trains and were built for dual voltage operation may I ask what the need for trains that can operate on overhead and 3rd rail is in Scotland?