Class 377442 carriage number 78842 now returned to traffic

James Kevill

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So the Class 377442 the 4 carriage will be permanently a 377342 the 3 carriage after the 78842 is written off? I Think it may be scrapped and deemed beyond repaired.
 
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The fire was in 2016, and it's still a 3-car unit, so it seems unlikely it'll go back to full length. You never know though.
 

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377442 had suffered fire damage back in 2016 and has been running as a 3 car Class 377 ever since as 377342, seeing as that was nearly 5 years ago I can't see the multiple unit in question ever going back to it's original formation because if the fire damaged vehicle was repairable then it would have been repaired by now.

In my view to tidy up the TOPS list of the Class 377/3s operated by Southern they should renumber it to 377329 as the Southern fleet goes from 377301 to 377328 then jumps to 377342.
 

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It may become 4 car again if something else is written off to leave a spare, but I think that is the only way.
 

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377442 had suffered fire damage back in 2016 and has been running as a 3 car Class 377 ever since as 377342, seeing as that was nearly 5 years ago I can't see the multiple unit in question ever going back to it's original formation because if the fire damaged vehicle was repairable then it would have been repaired by now.

In my view to tidy up the TOPS list of the Class 377/3s operated by Southern they should renumber it to 377329 as the Southern fleet goes from 377301 to 377328 then jumps to 377342.
Why? Wouldn't that mess with other people's OCD as the vehicle numbers wouldn't match the set number?
 

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This thread needs a question mark in its title until such time as there is evidence that 78842 no longer exists. Wasn't there a delay in rebuilding it because of the loss assessment process?

I think that previous discussions have suggested that having one extra 3-car 377 and one fewer 4-car 377 is a more advantageous position for Southern than 377442 put back together. At another point in time 377318 operated as 377165 to cover a gap in the 4-car fleet. There have also been suggestions that 78842 can't return in the same form it was in 2016 because some components aren't available.

On the other hand, it does seem that 78842 could have been put back into 377442 at the point it fell in the refurbishment process for the 377s given this involved taking out much of the interior.
 

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In my view to tidy up the TOPS list of the Class 377/3s operated by Southern they should renumber it to 377329 as the Southern fleet goes from 377301 to 377328 then jumps to 377342.
The original 377/3s were converted from 375s. Unit 342 is from a completely different order. So it makes sense to have a gap.
 

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Apparently from another thread 78842 is at Wolverton although that was late 2019
 

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Apparently from another thread 78842 is at Wolverton although that was late 2019
I heard that too. Allegedly the supplier of the original interior fittings went bust after the completion of the 377/4 delivery, but before the fire, so it would have been a non-standard interior if a return to service was required.
AFAIK the refurbishment of the 377s that's currently occurring doesn't cover an entirely new interior, so it might not return in this tranche of works.
 

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Reports elsewhere suggest that MOSL 78842 is being returned to Selhurst next week and once the rest of the set has had its overhaul 377442 will return as a four car set
 

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Passed this on the M25 yesterday at Cobham, then again at Coulsdon South heading in the direction of Selhurst.

Assuming this is the correct unit?

Sorry, as you can see, my co-pilot cannot take pictures very well in a moving vehicle.

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Has anyone got any pics of the "non standard interior" ? Interesting to see what it looks like it the original company went bust
 

James Kevill

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I'm glad the 337442 carriage number 78842 has finally returned to traffic. And 337342 will be renumbered back to 377442 and reformed back to 4 carriages again.
 

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377 442 is currently parked outside at Selhurst and is visible and easily photographable from passing trains between Norwood Junction and West Croydon.
 

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It would be interesting to see how different the interior is, unless they've pulled a miracle and made it identical to the original.
 

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377442 has been in passenger service since the 16th July and has worked services to Bogor Regis, Littlehampton, Epsom, Eastbourne, Ore and Reigate on the 16th, 19th July to 23rd July to date. I don't know what the interior is like but I can see where it's been.
 

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It would be interesting to see how different the interior is, unless they've pulled a miracle and made it identical to the original.
It is identical.

Someone did a walk through the entire unit last week and posted on Twitter that he couldn't see a single difference; he had been expecting the rebuilt carriage to be a 50/50 377 and 387 interior, but it was pure 377.
 

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It is identical.

Someone did a walk through the entire unit last week and posted on Twitter that he couldn't see a single difference; he had been expecting the rebuilt carriage to be a 50/50 377 and 387 interior, but it was pure 377.
What would be the point in rebuilding the vehicle with a unique interior specification? That would make the safety certifications far more hassle than they would otherwise need to be.
 

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What would be the point in rebuilding the vehicle with a unique interior specification? That would make the safety certifications far more hassle than they would otherwise need to be.
There was some misplaced speculation that the design information to rebuild the carriage as it was before was no longer available which would result in a non standard interior. However, given the fleet is undergoing internal work I guess that doesn't really ring true.
 

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What would be the point in rebuilding the vehicle with a unique interior specification? That would make the safety certifications far more hassle than they would otherwise need to be.
Someone uothread said the original interior supplier had gone bust. Presumably they've found some new old stock, or found someone else to make it to the original specification.
 

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