Milo T.K
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Just been looking and surprised to see that some of the 43s are still stored after quite a few years and are some going for scrapping this year?
Yes, been thinking of this too. With GWR having about 25 or so, XC 12, EMR maybe about 10, Scotrail 54, Network Rail 3, other use such as preserved or Colas maybe half a dozen there is still a lot out of use stored at various places such as Ely, Barrow Hill, Neville Hill, Long Marston. Even the Neville Hill accident damaged one 43300 still hasn't been scrapped. In fact for nearly 200 power cars ever built only about 4 have ever been scrapped!! With a huge amount of their Mk3 coaches scrapped now be nothing for them to haul anyway. Why the reluctance to scrap them after parts removal?? Surely the storage costs of power cars is more than the coaches?!Just been looking and surprised to see that some of the 43s are still stored after quite a few years and are some going for scrapping this year?
For good reason: it is being used as a source of spares for the EMR fleet at Neville Hill.Even the Neville Hill accident damaged one 43300 still hasn't been scrapped.
Why would storing power cars cost more than coaches?Surely the storage costs of power cars is more than the coaches?!
Why?Surely the storage costs of power cars is more than the coaches?!
Don't forget some at Burton on Trent Nemesis sidings as well. With one at Bicester MOD in storage. Unless there are plans for these?Yes, been thinking of this too. With GWR having about 25 or so, XC 12, EMR maybe about 10, Scotrail 54, Network Rail 3, other use such as preserved or Colas maybe half a dozen there is still a lot out of use stored at various places such as Ely, Barrow Hill, Neville Hill, Long Marston. Even the Neville Hill accident damaged one 43300 still hasn't been scrapped. In fact for nearly 200 power cars ever built only about 4 have ever been scrapped!! With a huge amount of their Mk3 coaches scrapped now be nothing for them to haul anyway. Why the reluctance to scrap them after parts removal?? Surely the storage costs of power cars is more than the coaches?!
Maybe due to value and weight? Sooner or later some have to be scrapped when they had any parts removed and will cost money to store them.Why?
The engines will likely be on some kind of lease arrangement. Thinking about it, that could be a reason why the 43s are not being scrapped yet.Do the engines have potential resale value? I remember reading that the MTU engines can also be used in marine applications.
The engines are not on lease agreements - they are owned by the vehicle owner.The engines will likely be on some kind of lease arrangement. Thinking about it, that could be a reason why the 43s are not being scrapped yet.
Do the engines have potential resale value? I remember reading that the MTU engines can also be used in marine applications.
Right - presumably the 43s are being stored until their respective ROSCOs get around to removing the engines.The engines are not on lease agreements - they are owned by the vehicle owner.
any idea what colas have in mind of there 43's?Yes, been thinking of this too. With GWR having about 25 or so, XC 12, EMR maybe about 10, Scotrail 54, Network Rail 3, other use such as preserved or Colas maybe half a dozen there is still a lot out of use stored at various places such as Ely, Barrow Hill, Neville Hill, Long Marston. Even the Neville Hill accident damaged one 43300 still hasn't been scrapped. In fact for nearly 200 power cars ever built only about 4 have ever been scrapped!! With a huge amount of their Mk3 coaches scrapped now be nothing for them to haul anyway. Why the reluctance to scrap them after parts removal?? Surely the storage costs of power cars is more than the coaches?!
any idea what colas have in mind of there 43's?
cant see how they could be used by a FOC?
They seem to be interested in the VP185s, which still leaves all the ex GWR/LNER power carsany idea what colas have in mind of there 43's?
They seem to be interested in the VP185s, which still leaves all the ex GWR/LNER power cars
Of course its always a shame to scrap a train but a cab would be nice off one,not that they'd likely sell.
It wouldn't surprise me to see on on George Clarke's Amazing Spaces in a couple of years!If you're after a cab, it's always worth asking one of the ROSCOs - the worst they could do is say no, but you never know... one just might make one available once disposals start ( although highly likely it would be stripped of instruments first! )... Come to think of it, an empty class 43 bodyshell would make an interesting garden shed if you could prevent water ingress through all the vents...
It'd be an expensive garden shed - low loader and a crane, delivery would likely cost near as much as the bodyshell. Wonder if you'd need planning permission too...Come to think of it, an empty class 43 bodyshell would make an interesting garden shed if you could prevent water ingress through all the vents...
Or indeed in Richard Benyons Cab Yard. I would be VERY surprised if he didn’t take on a HST...It wouldn't surprise me to see on on George Clarke's Amazing Spaces in a couple of years!
Like this one?Wouldn't it be better to create a list of power cars and their state / condition.
I gather various power cars are now sitting around being stripped of parts - with no likelihood of ever being restored to full working order. Didn't Scotrail buy a few extra PC's for that purpose?
This could be a list of power cars owned by TOC's as well as those off-lease.
Wouldn't it be better to create a list of power cars and their state / condition.
I gather various power cars are now sitting around being stripped of parts - with no likelihood of ever being restored to full working order. Didn't Scotrail buy a few extra PC's for that purpose?
This could be a list of power cars owned by TOC's as well as those off-lease.
Thanks. We could do with an excel spreadsheet and colour coded to denote service (green), stored (yellow) and damaged/spares donors (red).
43018 has already been stripped at Haymarket and the remains donated to Crewe Heritage Centre.
They left the body intact didn't they?So they strip it for spares then offer it out to someone to put it back together! XD