fgwrich
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5086 now running as 5F95 and left Derby 177 minutes late
Out of interest, what's on this one?
5086 now running as 5F95 and left Derby 177 minutes late
That would be 47813, "Jack Frost".Out of interest, what's on this one?
That would be 47813, "Jack Frost".
I hear it's actually 0O86 now (no barriers), which confusingly was the hc given to this morning's Eastleigh to bomo via baltic, allocated 57305. However this doesn't appear to have run (maybe it was collected at Eastleigh?). I'm assuming this will form a top n tail on the 442 tomorrow.
You could argue that they have at least provided much employment, and continue to do so, but whether they will ever run in service as promised, what is it almost three years ago now is open to question. They also provide entertainment for those who follow their every move. It might ultimately go down as one of the worst decisions in the modern railway to throw so much money into a bottomless pit.Millions of pounds have been spent on upgrading the traction and all they seem to do is get hauled around the country.
The 730s replacing them are meant to be built 2020-21 so probably 2022 will be the first ones being released. This will probably be impacted by covid though although I don't think production has been affected too much of the 730s.New to this thread, though travelled on the Piggies most weekdays back in the days on the Weymouth line. They were a revelation then compared to the slam door stock they replaced. Can someone please throw any light on when the 350s (which potentially could put the 442s out of their misery) are expected to be released from LNWR?
Thank you. I wonder how much the 442 saga us costing SWR and the Rosco?The 730s replacing them are meant to be built 2020-21 so probably 2022 will be the first ones being released. This will probably be impacted by covid though although I don't think production has been affected too much of the 730s.
It possibly got SWR the franchise. Then bear in mind nothing ventured and nothing gained. Progress would not happen without trying things.Thank you. I wonder how much the 442 saga us costing SWR and the Rosco?
Getting the franchise is something they probably now regret, because quite apart from the 442 issues they've lost a lot of money on it. But according to Roger Ford and others, the bid by Stagecoach was non-compliant in that it did not meet some of the timetabling requirements set out in the tender documents (as Stagecoach knew enough about the line to realise that the DfT's expectations were unrealistic), and therefore could not have won.It possibly got SWR the franchise. Then bear in mind nothing ventured and nothing gained. Progress would not happen without trying things.
Getting the franchise is something they probably now regret, because quite apart from the 442 issues they've lost a lot of money on it. But according to Roger Ford and others, the bid by Stagecoach was non-compliant in that it did not meet some of the timetabling requirements set out in the tender documents (as Stagecoach knew enough about the line to realise that the DfT's expectations were unrealistic), and therefore could not have won.
It's interesting that while the class 455 retractioning went well (as far as I know), this job, and classes 230 and 769, have struggled to say the least, which suggests that attempting radical changes to older stock may be a risky enterprise.
455 retractioning was still rather delayed, and there were the slight teething issues involving equipment cases being blasted across Guildford station taking out the station furniture.
Reliability has been a bit hit and miss with the 455s to though I think that has settled down now?
Refurbishing old v buying new is one it’s very difficult to tell what is best in advance, a crystal ball would be wonderful.
Each time a set of mk3 HST vehicles go for scrap you get the “what a waste” and “why not put them on Cross-Country to boost capacity” comments but when the industry does try and life extend old stock for further use, prime examples being 442s and LNER mk3s cascaded to EMR you find they have been run into the ground and require far more work than anticipated...
We should have asked for their advice then, as to how to recycle plastic pigs.Germany even re-uses plastic bottles! They are made thicker than here so this is more feasible.
They are probably not thick enough plastic... I mean Desiros are heavier and now I know why .We should have asked for their advice then, as to how to recycle plastic pigs.
Do you know if it is being preserved for the national collection?.Does anyone know what is happening to 2401, as it's believed to have a driving car heading up to the York museum. does any one know what livery it will be and will it be re-fitted with the front covers.
It would be nice to see the little dot-matrix destination board on the nose restored too. Is it a DTF or DTS that's being preserved?Covers not being fitted would be the least of the unit's problems. There's a lot that was fitted that has now been removed.
The units didn’t have a DTF after being modified for Gatwick Express: both driving cars were DTS and the first class was in the motor car.It would be nice to see the little dot-matrix destination board on the nose restored too. Is it a DTF or DTS that's being preserved?
The retraction was delayed by a few months due to complexity of the project and availability of testing facilities. It was an equipment case cover that blew across Guildford station not the cases themselves. Detail is in the RAIB report455 retractioning was still rather delayed, and there were the slight teething issues involving equipment cases being blasted across Guildford station taking out the station furniture.
This appears to be cancelled. It has not yet left and the inbound working didn’t run eitherAppears to be another move from Bournemouth to Wolverton in the system for this evening, 5Q70. Due to leave 1655.
Assume they're just going ahead with retractioning them all and trusting the system works? Still haven't heard of any Mainline testing on the first one.