Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway

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  1. swt_passenger

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    The original SWT blurb about the 707 did say 533 standing, but the franchise agreement is dated after the downward revision of DfT’s 707 capacity formula for the train to 3 per sq m. That doesn’t account for all the change, but it’s also possible the original figure was a crush load, rather than the expected 4 per sq m.
     
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  2. Goldfish62

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    The renders show a virtually identical internal layout to the 700s, albeit without the intrusive heater ducting. No longitudinal seats.

    GA had a long lead time on their units and were able to display mockups which influenced the final design. The finished interiors were not shown publicly until well after testing had started.

    SWR ordered the 701s immediately after the franchise agreement was signed and with the original timescales the interior layout was already locked down.
     
  3. Midmat

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    Seemed inevitable but confirmation now that first in service trains not due until mid-2020
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tra...900m-fleet-of-driveronly-trains-a4226831.html
     
  4. Bessie

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    Least surprising news of the day. At least I can enjoy the "luxury" of the 458/5 seats for a little longer!
     
  5. Mikey C

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    And thankfully for you, unlike the Goblin users and their 172s, the current trains don't have an urgent date to be transferred elsewhere!
     
  6. samuelmorris

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  7. Goldfish62

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    I don't think it was a secret, except to the ES. Mellors stated in Modern Railways that none would be in service until next year.
     
  8. samuelmorris

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    But not to the public they didn't, did they?
     
  9. hwl

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    At least being honest/realistic about the amount of time between completion of first units (5 & 10 car) and testing before entry into service unlike many other current introductions.
     
  10. samuelmorris

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    I suppose so, but "Spring" to "middle of" is fairly ambiguous anyway, gives a lot of room for inevitable setbacks. The partially automated control on these units is probably going to take a while to get right.
     
  11. 387star

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    I assume ironing boards won't be fitted <(
     
  12. Meerkat

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    They want a fares freeze?! It’s not like the old stock is pacers, it’s brand new or relatively recently refurbished stuff!
    Don’t think they want to be linking fares rises with new stock anyway - that could go ugly for passengers....
     
  13. TEW

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    The ABDO system is not planned to be operational from the day the units are introduced, but will come later.
     
  14. swt_passenger

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    Yes, quite a ridiculous statement to make for someone in his position, ie Passenger Focus...
     
  15. hwl

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    Given 43% of the services in the 701 area will be seeing 10 car trains up from 8car next year that is still quite a service improvement.
     
  16. Goldfish62

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    What TOCs have ever easily admitted their trains would be late? I don't recall SWT trumpeting late deliveries, and it's not like they had no experience of that.
     
  17. hwl

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    Very sensible, it really only makes sense to introduce when all the old stock as been swapped out and everyone is used to driver open etc. already.
     
  18. hwl

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    Indeed the 701 will be less delayed than anything SWT did this decade...
    (The only one I can't remember precisely is the 450s in the previous decade)
     
  19. swt_passenger

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    IIRC the extra 17 x 450s was done with no announcement? If there was one it went under the radar. Perhaps that’s a good way of limiting expectations...
     
  20. hwl

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    Everything was information lite back then!
     
  21. Goldfish62

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    I think they were about 5-6 months late, which was an improvement over the 18 months late for the 458s.
     
  22. hwl

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    707s also a good 8 months late for the 1st unit then got worse!
    455 retraction etc also over a year late.
    Given Derby build rates they should all be completed by the end of next year may be Jan 2021 but there will be a lot of units completed by the time the first is in service with easily 5 in daily testing and 3/4 for daily driver training.
     
  23. hwl

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    The fun bit will be finding enough 3rd rail network to test and do driver training on.
     
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    Funny how the first unit is near completion but wont be delivered until early next year? Doesn’t sound very complete to me :lol:

    Not sure about the 701s being driver operation only. Creates more fair dodgers if you ask me
     
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    Class 458/5 rebuild 15 months late, Class 456 refurbishment a year list, to add to the list.
     
  26. theking

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    They won't be handed over to SWR until they are nearly/ready for passenger service so driver training can commence.

    The 710's were not handed over to ARL until the last minute and the units were signed off enough so driver training could commence all the testing was done by Bombardier.
     
  27. hwl

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    It is called proper testing and de bugging. Realistically SWR will want about 15 fully working units before the first goes into service and have lots of driver training done before hand otherwise the logistics then get very messy. On the SWR Metro network there need to be lots of driver training in advance to make entry into service smooth. GTR pulled the plug on Siemens try to do otherwise with the 700s eventually as you need a decent float of debugged units till fairly far in to the roll out. CAF roll out at Northern has been shambles
     
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    Gbrf will be undertaking the majority of the testing according to company council.
     
  29. Goldfish62

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    Testing at Old Dalby will take several months so it's wholly feasible that the first unit is almost ready.
     
  30. samuelmorris

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    Yes they will.
    Fair enough, I did think that seemed a bit ambitious.
     

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