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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway
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OneTrackMinded
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Door failure as per usual
Siemens Staines
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It looks like a pair of 455s made what these days is an unusual trip to Windsor this morning, deputising for a 701 (same diagram as 2U31)
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Realtime Trains | 2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 11/12/2024
Real-time train running information for 2U21 0933 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 11/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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I wonder how it managed to call at Datchet which can no longer accommodate an 8-455It looks like a pair of 455s made what these days is an unusual trip to Windsor this morning, deputising for a 701 (same diagram as 2U31)
Realtime Trains | 2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 11/12/2024
Real-time train running information for 2U21 0933 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 11/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Presumably it just skipped it?
It says NR which means no report, so skipped
Goldfish62
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The same is being found on SWR as when Thameslink introduced long single units replacing formations consisting of 2 or 3 units. Previously you'd run a short formation if there was a unit failure - the service would still run. Now the service is cancelled. It makes issues more noticeable.
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NR does not always means skipped, although it usually does. But in this instance 2U21 arrived at Windsor when it was supposed to have been at Datchet so could not have called there.
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One of Northern's advantages. Now if only so many services weren't booked 2-car but that's for another thread
Can't 5-car 701s be used, then you still run 5 if one fails?
cactustwirly
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That explains a lot, when I looked at RTT this morning it was only showing 1x 10 car service from Windsor. 701031 must have been a swap at some pointIt looks like a pair of 455s made what these days is an unusual trip to Windsor this morning, deputising for a 701 (same diagram as 2U31)
Realtime Trains | 2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 11/12/2024
Real-time train running information for 2U21 0933 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 11/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
It means no report which means it didn’t stop in section for enough time.
cactustwirly
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Had my first ride on one today and those seats are really cramped. A 455 is more comfortable as the seats are wider and have gaps between them.
They are a massive comfort downgrade compared to a 458/5
They are a massive comfort downgrade compared to a 458/5
norbitonflyer
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701031 has been in and out of service all day.
2U08 (0551 ex windsor) ran
2U11 (0703 ex Waterloo) cancelled "planning error")
2U18 (0821 ex Windsor) cancelled (late arrivel of incoming)
2U21 (0933 ex Waterloo) filled by 2x455
2U28 (1051 ex Windsor) filled by 2x 455
2U31 (1203 ex waterllo) cacelled (doors)
2U38 (1321 ex windsor) staerted Staines
2U41 and 2U48 running
At Clapham Junction this morning if I remember correctly this was announced as due to shortage of train crew?
norbitonflyer
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Well, a failure to roster a crew would count as a planning error!
Can confirm that the Shepperton 701 diagram will be starting from next week. 2H08 05:43 off Teddington is the first working
Also a 701 on the Shepperton line this Saturday, it's on whatever circuit 2H27 is.
Found 2 sets out on this sunday coming as well, on the Kingston Rounder / Shepperton diagram and a Windsor diagram. 2K09 and 2U39 are examples.
Also a 701 on the Shepperton line this Saturday, it's on whatever circuit 2H27 is.
Found 2 sets out on this sunday coming as well, on the Kingston Rounder / Shepperton diagram and a Windsor diagram. 2K09 and 2U39 are examples.
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OneTrackMinded
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3 new diagrams then, albeit not on the same day
norbitonflyer
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That seems to start with 2H12 0641 Wat-Shepperton, 2H11 0742 Shepperton - Waterloo, and repeat every 2 hours
2K09 is 0718 Waterloo-Wimbledon- Richmond- Waterloo, then
2O17 0917 Waterloo-Ric-Wim- Waterloo
2H23 1048 Wat-Shepp
2H34 1211 Shepp-Wat
2K33 1318 Wat - Wim - Ric - Wat
(repeats after six hours, reporting numbers incrementing by 24)
and
2U19 0844 Waterloo-Windsor all stations
2u26 1001 Windsor -Waterloo all stations
1U29 1125 waterloo- Windsor (semi fast)
1u36 1234 Windsor-Waterloo (semi fast)
2u39 1344 Waterloo- Windsor all statoins
(repeats after five hours, reporting numbers increment by 20)
If these come to pass, they will be the first calls by a 701 at Queenstown, Wandsworth Town, Barnes, Mortlake, North Sheen, St Margarets and Strawberry Hill
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There are already some Shepperton via Richmond services running 701s that call at Strawberry Hill - e.g. 2H93
Elorith
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Presumably there is still the option of bringing in full DCO at a later date.
The other advantage of having a formation of 2 or 3 units coupled together is that you can bring what is effectively 2 or 3 possible trains on/off depots all at once.
You only require one driver to move the set.
DMckduck97
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It is sort of admitting defeat, will be much harder to implement in the future. There's no time like the present in my opinion .
We all know what the railway is like at this point.
norbitonflyer
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Not a good morning,
Surbiton peakbuster (2J92) cancelled due to crew issues (although it seems the empty stock ran, as 701043)
First round trip to Windsor 2U07/14 cancelled because of a "unit swap" (what?) but diagram taken up from 2U17 by 701036
Surbiton peakbuster (2J92) cancelled due to crew issues (although it seems the empty stock ran, as 701043)
First round trip to Windsor 2U07/14 cancelled because of a "unit swap" (what?) but diagram taken up from 2U17 by 701036
2H11 being swapped to a 701 is promising, since it regularly runs 15 minutes late, as a 10 car 458.
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Realtime Trains | 5Q87 1234 Long Marston Gbrf to Eastleigh East Yard | 12/12/2024
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Yes, a Dorking/ Guildford via Epsom/ Hampton Court diagram.
Indeed, particularly after enduring the month long strike it’ll be interesting if we ever hear an official version from a Minister, DFT or the TOC
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I_am_Nobody
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I’m not sure we will hear anything from FirstGroup/MTR before May, other than further rollout phases as they progress. After May, it’ll all be up to DfT Operator Ltd!
That would be time consuming, disruptive and of little obvious benefit. The ‘paperwork’ to approve stations for DCO would likely all need doing again, drivers would need releasing for more training, etc. Very unlikely to be worth the hassle if the trains are running fine with guards who will remain on board anyway.
If recent posts are accurate hardly any stations got fully cleared for DCO anyway meaning there weren’t sufficient stops for trainees to get easily passed out, hence it was dropped.
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swrfanatic
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Have a bit of a love hate relationship with the 701's