Class 710 LO

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  1. ijmad

    ijmad Established Member

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    It occurs to me that one way of achieving 4tph all day on the Enfield/Cheshunt routes would be to split/join trains at Edmonton Green. Obviously this provides no extra capacity but would improve convenience. Is the 710 set up so it could split/join in service in the future, for this or other reasons?
     
  2. Ethano92

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    The problem is a 4tph service will attract more people so it may end up working against its favour with no added capacity benefits. Out of interest is there any reason 4tph to Enfield town can't be kept all day whilst operating to and from Liverpool Street like during peak times?
     
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    At the moment, as I understand it, Enfield Town and Cheshunt each get 2 tph off-peak - so a combined 4tph between Edmonton Green and Liverpool St.

    Back in the 1980s, the GLC gave some funding to BR to 'relaunch' the Jazz Train. This offered a regular-interval 6tph off-peak as far as Lower Edmonton (as it was then called) with 4tph going to Enfield Town (on a 20min/10min frequency) and the other 2tph continuing (I think) to Hertford East.

    Is there something preventing such a service pattern today? (Obviously to Cheshunt rather than Hertford East.)

    Here's a picture of a Class 305 EMU sporting a Jazz Train sticker on the front!

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    British Rail (ER) Class 305 unit at Liverpool Street
    by bowroaduk, on Flickr
     
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  4. class717

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    There was an foi request made in May last year which suggested TfL had a plan to increase off peak frequencies of both the Cheshunt and Enfield Town branches to 3tph.

    "Two main changes are under consideration: an extension of the operating hours of the current PM peak service and the introduction of a three trains per hour service between Liverpool Street and Enfield Town and Liverpool Street and Cheshunt. This latter change would require a full timetable rewrite with the involvement of Greater Anglia. The timescale for this is not clear at the current moment in time as Greater Anglia have not finalised their plans for retiming their own services yet."

    See https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transp.../foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-0612-1920
     
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    Just out of interest, this is the response being given by Arriva at the moment (I had emailed in regards to the service frequency on Enfield/Cheshunt):
    Not sure about the idea of splitting at Edmonton Green - would probably be quite operationally inconvenient, surely? Where would the trains cross over and reverse, which trains would continue through to London etc?
     
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    Quite rightly, its a terrible idea. Forget inconvenience, who is paying to re-signal and make those sections permissive? Splitting and Joining trains en-route in an inner suburban setup so small is absolute madness. For a train to go 2 stops on a branch (which is close to 1mile away) and 4 stops on the other every 15mins? :lol: Lets not also forget the GA trains that regularly use the Southbury lines during the peak, disruption, football, and alot of weekends during engineering works.

    As Arriva have quite rightly pointed out, until WA is re-written in its entirety, this subject is pretty pointless. WA runs at the moment with maximum utillisation with headways in multiple places as little as 1 minute between conflicting services (with appladuble precision when its on time to be fair) for Cambridge, Hertford, Bishops Stortford, Airport, Chingford, Cheshunt, Enfield. People keep forgetting its not just about LO. They simply look after 3 services within the West Anglia timetable. Easiest way to think of it. Which is why (give or take the odd minute) The timetable has remained virtually unchanged for a the past 10 years. Even the recent reshuffle of platform usage at Liverpool Street was considered as "outside of the box".
     
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    119/121 were out on WA today for the first pilot training runs
     
  8. ijmad

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    Someone snapped them

    Anyone know why there's a bunch of GOBLIN cancellations this week? I'm hoping it's not stock related. Driver training?
     
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    Engineering possessions most likely unless there is some conspiracy to get involved in for twitter drama.
     
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    Cheshunt to London Fields/Liv St early hours and daytime Enfield Tn schedules shown as 710s in RTT all ran today - are they for driver training or mileage accumulation?
     
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    RTT only shows what the service is timed for, not what units actually ran the service.
     
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    They are 710s. My assumption would be that the freight ones are mileage accumulation (they don't stop) and that LO operated ones are driver training but I have just made that up.
     
  13. Bald Rick

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    The Stansted Express.

    Ha! No chance, unless someone builds some new tracks into Liverpool St.
     
  14. ijmad

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    Crossrail did exactly this though. With 12 of the 16 trains per hour of TfL Rail shortly to disappear down the portals at Stratford, I wonder if there's a possibility of sending more Greater Anglia services via the Stratford route which might free up paths on the other Lea Valley Lines? Perhaps best asked in another thread.
     
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    It’s been answered in other threads too, several times. There is no capacity to get trains from the WA via Stratford to Liverpool St without removing GEML ‘Main’ services (ie those going to/from beyond Shenfield). The line from Orient way to Stratford is already at capacity at peak times with ECS as well.
     
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    The daytime Enfield ones are Driver Training. This week is the Pilot course. The training train runs between Enfield-London Fields throughout the day and then stables at Enfield. Will continue to run until early summer/late spring. All have run so far since monday. They run under 3UXX headcodes
     
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    Thanks, I'll have a root around so I can stop mucking about in this thread.
     
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    Are any other 710s accepted for service apart from those noted above in this thread as working, and if so which other units have been accepted for service? And if it were possible to advise which units (if any) have been accepted into service so far this year that would be most appreciated. Many thanks.
     
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    Driver Training paths in for Tuesday to Friday daytimes this week
     
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    Not sure why 710.105 and 710.264 are outside East Ham depot at 0830 with “not to be moved” flags and have been since weekend ?

    (update: 710.264 departed East Ham depot at 12.15)

    .103 is again in service on the GOBLIN
     
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  22. 20atthemagnet

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    Next week W.A. Training goes full steam with both an AM and PM course with the 3Uxx running pretty much all day from 9-2330 approx

    So far they’ve chosen not to deliver any extra units so it’s all down to 121/119 Tues-Thur each week
     
  23. class717

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    Do we still think these will turn into passenger preview services at some point?
     
  24. 20atthemagnet

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    No. But introducing an eight car unit into a diagram is. But there needs to be enough people trained on them for it to be something that could be introduced, and have enough cover to ensure it’s always going to to be something that doesn’t get cancelled due to lack of people signing it. 15 to 20 drivers sounds reasonable which is why mid to late February was always a time frame that has been spoken about. As this coincides with that number of people trained.

    There is also reluctance to do so until the coupling issues are completely sorted which they are not.
     
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    That coupling issue seems to be taking an awfully long time to resolve, what's the hold up?
     
  26. 20atthemagnet

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    The last issue is related to the amount of time a unit has when mechanically coupled but not electronically. The units talk to each other fine now (which is why there are 8 cars perfectly fit for service)

    But there is a tiny window in which the units must be electronically coupled during coupling process. So this needs to be addressed. Its easily rectifiable but they prefer to incorporate individual fixes into full software versions, which makes sense as each drop will include a multitude of small fixes also. The next one is due imminently, so with any luck that will be last one before WA service.

    Will also be good news for classic as it means you will now be able to rescue a 710 with another 710 without any faff.
     
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    A few pics from today at Edmonton Green 119 and 121
     
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    They're inservice?
     
  29. class717

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    No, ECS. The front set of doors did get released though.
     
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    I can't work out how they can have the stop car marker located there when the first set of doors appears to be past the point passengers are allowed?
     

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