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How many units are needed for the current diagrams on WA (Chingford, Chestnut, Enfield?)
Just wanted to check for any recent updates - how many 710 diagrams are now on the West Anglia STP Monday-Friday schedule at the moment? And any news or developments regarding driver training?
How many units are needed for the current diagrams on WA (Chingford, Chestnut, Enfield?)
Okay, so four pairs in use with two spare I take it. Around a third of the diagrams. What's current delivery and acceptance timescale for the remainder? Are all drivers trained now too?11 circuits, so 22 as all are required to be 8 car to aid social distacing.
710.122 and 710.273 plus 2 others were at Worksop yesterdayOkay, so four pairs in use with two spare I take it. Around a third of the diagrams. What's current delivery and acceptance timescale for the remainder? Are all drivers trained now too?
Okay, so four pairs in use with two spare I take it. Around a third of the diagrams. What's current delivery and acceptance timescale for the remainder? Are all drivers trained now too?
I think you’re right, the 30/31 anomaly is because there was originally planned to be a 25kV unit for Romford-Upminster, and it became an extra dual voltage unit during build, (about the time the extra 9 units were ordered). TfL said at the time the Romford unit was to be transferred to the DC Lines, and would be replaced by a retained 315.710101 was taken from Old Dalby to Willesden yesterday.
Additionally, does anyone know what the unit no's are running up to for each subclass? I know the 4-car number ranges ran thus: 710256-273, and 710101-131, but there's a part of me that thinks only 30 710/1s are being ordered in the end, as 48 units were ordered and 101-131 + 256-273 totals 49. Perhaps 710131 was an anomaly?
Based on the post just above you would assume that the ratio is 60/40 split with the 60 being 710s. As a daily user of this line this would be a fair assessment
Thanks. I wasn't sure if 'in use' meant 'in use' all day or whether they were just being given the run-around periodically. That's awesome though.
Today, with nothing shown as vice:
315
802/811 2U17
824/833 2T16
805/815 2T27
801/810 2D09
710
103/105 2U13
108/121 2U22
107/117 2T23
104/126 2T25
123/129 2D14
109/128 2D11
116/130 2U16
111/115 2T18
TfL have said that route will remain 315 operated, so I wouldn’t expect them to...Have any been on Romford-Upminster yet?
All they ever announced was that one 315 would be retained, so that the one 4 car 710 could be moved to the DC lines. No explanation was offered about how it would be maintained, or any breakdowns covered.Oh. So will they keep 1 or 2 315s to run the service or will 710s or maybe even 378s take over at some point?
Yes the clearance runs have happened. Should swap over similar timeframe to last Chingfords so later this year.Have any been on Romford-Upminster yet?
TfL have said that route will remain 315 operated, so I wouldn’t expect them to...
Aspiration is to introduce 2tph extra to Crystal Palace and 2tph extra to Clapham Junction. How they're planning to diagram the one platform at Clapham for 6tph I'm not entirely sure - I wouldn't be surprised if the additional 2 end up in the bay at Battersea Park.
The Original TfL explanation is somewhat different, eg as in post #758 of this thread. It refers to a total of 8 extra units for ELL/SLL. I‘d just go with the last official TfL explanation, until it’s ever re-issued...Their planned enhancement to the East London Line (from what I've read) requires 7 378s. They've ordered 6 710s for the Watford DC route, so the 7th 710 for Romford - Upminster will instead go on Watford DC and send the 7th 378 to ELL.
Aspiration is to introduce 2tph extra to Crystal Palace and 2tph extra to Clapham Junction. How they're planning to diagram the one platform at Clapham for 6tph I'm not entirely sure - I wouldn't be surprised if the additional 2 end up in the bay at Battersea Park.
The Original TfL explanation is somewhat different, eg as in post #758 of this thread. It refers to a total of 8 extra units for ELL/SLL. I‘d just go with the last official TfL explanation, until it’s ever re-issued...
I’d look the other side of Clapham Junction...
(If they ever happen).
Could well be, they invariably seem to quote the full fleet numbers rather than explaining details of daily diagrams.It may be 7 + 1 spare which is where I've got my wires crossed.