• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

221101 Voyager

Established Member
Joined
17 Nov 2019
Messages
1,421
Location
Milton Keynes
Seen as there is not a proper thread for the 730s talking about deliveries, I thought I'd make one with the main purpose of tracking build progress and deliveries in addition to tracking each units location and acceptance into service.

The other 730 threads had a lot of talk about formations and diagrams, please do not discuss diagrams here.

Up to date as of 19th April 2021.

Any updates to add? Then feel free to let me know . :)


Fleet list -
NumberCoach formationsOperatorLiveryLocationProduction statusDelivery and first mainline test run
730001490001, 492001, 494001West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730002490002, 492002, 494002West Midlands RailwayWMR Orange & PurpleCrewe Arriva Traincare TMDTesting / Training05/03/21 - Commenced mainline testing
730003490003, 492003, 494003West Midlands RailwayWMR Orange & PurpleTaken to Old Dalby 19/04/21Testing / Training19/04/21 - To be taken to Old Dalby for testing.
730004490004, 492004, 494004West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730005490005, 492005, 494005West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730006490006, 492006, 494006West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730007490007, 492007, 494007West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730008490008, 492008, 494008West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730009490009, 492009, 494009West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730010490010, 492010, 494010West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730011490011, 492011, 494011West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730012490012, 492012, 494012West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730013490013, 492013, 494013West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730014490014, 492014, 494014West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730015490015, 492015, 494015West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730016490016, 492016, 494016West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730017490017, 492017, 494017West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730018490018, 492018, 494018West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730019490019, 492019, 494019West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730020490020, 492020, 494020West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730021490021, 492021, 494021West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730022490022, 492022, 494022West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730023490023, 492023, 494023West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730024490024, 492024, 494024West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730025490025, 492025, 494025West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730026490026, 492026, 494026West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730027490027, 492027, 494027West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730028490028, 492028, 494028West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730029490029, 492029, 494029West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730030490030, 492030, 494030West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730031490031, 492031, 494031West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730032490032, 492032, 494032West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730033490033, 492033, 494033West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730034490034, 492034, 494034West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730035490035, 492035, 494035West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730036490036, 492036, 494036West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730101490101, 491101, 492101, 493101, 494101London North Western RailwayLNWR Green+SilverOld DalbyFully ProducedCurrently stabled at Old Dalby
730102490102, 491102, 492102, 493102, 494102London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730103490103, 491103, 492103, 493103, 494103London North Western RailwayLNWR Green+SilverOld DalbyFully ProducedCurrently stabled at Old Dalby
730104490104, 491104, 492104, 493104, 494104London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730105490105, 491105, 492105, 493105, 494105London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730106490106, 491106, 492106, 493106, 494106London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730107490107, 491107, 492107, 493107, 494107London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730108490108, 491108, 492108, 493108, 494108London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730109490109, 491109, 492109, 493109, 494109London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730110490110, 491110, 492110, 493110, 494110London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730111490111, 491111, 492111, 493111, 494111London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730112490112, 491112, 492112, 493112, 494112London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730113490113, 491113, 492113, 493113, 494113London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730114490114, 491114, 492114, 493114, 494114London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730115490115, 491115, 492115, 493115, 494115London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730116490116, 491116, 492116, 493116, 494116London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730117490117, 491117, 492117, 493117, 494117London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730118490118, 491118, 492118, 493118, 494118London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730119490119, 491119, 492119, 493119, 494119London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730120490120, 491120, 492120, 493120, 494120London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730121490121, 491121, 492121, 493121, 494121London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730122490122, 491122, 492122, 493122, 494122London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730123490123, 491123, 492123, 493123, 494123London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730124490124, 491124, 492124, 493124, 494124London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730125490125, 491125, 492125, 493125, 494125London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730126490126, 491126, 492126, 493126, 494126London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730127490127, 491127, 492127, 493127, 494127London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730128490128, 491128, 492128, 493128, 494128London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730129490129, 491129, 492129, 493129, 494129London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730201490201, 491201, 492201, 493201, 494201London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730202490202, 491202, 492202, 493202, 494202London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730203490203, 491203, 492203, 493203, 494203London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730204490204, 491204, 492204, 493204, 494204London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730205490205, 491205, 492205, 493205, 494205London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730206490206, 491206, 492206, 493206, 494206London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730207490207, 491207, 492207, 493207, 494207London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730208490208, 491208, 492208, 493208, 494208London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730209490209, 491209, 492209, 493209, 494209London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730210490210, 491210, 492210, 493210, 494210London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730211490211, 491211, 492211, 493211, 494211London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730212490212, 491212, 492212, 493212, 494212London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730213490213, 491213, 492213, 493213, 494213London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730214490214, 491214, 492214, 493214, 494214London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730215490215, 491215, 492215, 493215, 494215London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730216490216, 491216, 492216, 493216, 494216London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
 
Last edited:
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Joshua483

On Moderation
Joined
4 Apr 2021
Messages
70
Location
Wokingham
Seen as there is not a proper thread for the 730s talking about deliveries, I thought I'd make one with the main purpose of tracking build progress and deliveries in addition to tracking each units location and acceptance into service.

The other 730 threads had a lot of talk about formations and diagrams, please do not discuss diagrams here.

Up to date as of 13th March 2021.

Any updates to add? Then feel free to let me know . :)


Does anyone know the number of the LNWR unit on test in Velim?


Fleet list -
NumberCoach formationsOperatorLiveryLocationProduction statusDelivery and first mainline test run
730001490001, 492001, 494001West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730002490002, 492002, 494002West Midlands RailwayWMR Orange & PurpleCrewe Arriva Traincare TMDTesting / Training05/03/21 - Commenced mainline testing
730003490003, 492003, 494003West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730004490004, 492004, 494004West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730005490005, 492005, 494005West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730006490006, 492006, 494006West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730007490007, 492007, 494007West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730008490008, 492008, 494008West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730009490009, 492009, 494009West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730010490010, 492010, 494010West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730011490011, 492011, 494011West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730012490012, 492012, 494012West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730013490013, 492013, 494013West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730014490014, 492014, 494014West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730015490015, 492015, 494015West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730016490016, 492016, 494016West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730017490017, 492017, 494017West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730018490018, 492018, 494018West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730019490019, 492019, 494019West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730020490020, 492020, 494020West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730021490021, 492021, 494021West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730022490022, 492022, 494022West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730023490023, 492023, 494023West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730024490024, 492024, 494024West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730025490025, 492025, 494025West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730026490026, 492026, 494026West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730027490027, 492027, 494027West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730028490028, 492028, 494028West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730029490029, 492029, 494029West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730030490030, 492030, 494030West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730031490031, 492031, 494031West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730032490032, 492032, 494032West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730033490033, 492033, 494033West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730034490034, 492034, 494034West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730035490035, 492035, 494035West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730036490036, 492036, 494036West Midlands RailwayTBCIn Production
730101490101, 491101, 492101, 493101, 494101London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730102490102, 491102, 492102, 493102, 494102London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730103490103, 491103, 492103, 493103, 494103London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730104490104, 491104, 492104, 493104, 494104London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730105490105, 491105, 492105, 493105, 494105London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730106490106, 491106, 492106, 493106, 494106London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730107490107, 491107, 492107, 493107, 494107London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730108490108, 491108, 492108, 493108, 494108London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730109490109, 491109, 492109, 493109, 494109London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730110490110, 491110, 492110, 493110, 494110London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730111490111, 491111, 492111, 493111, 494111London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730112490112, 491112, 492112, 493112, 494112London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730113490113, 491113, 492113, 493113, 494113London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730114490114, 491114, 492114, 493114, 494114London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730115490115, 491115, 492115, 493115, 494115London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730116490116, 491116, 492116, 493116, 494116London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730117490117, 491117, 492117, 493117, 494117London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730118490118, 491118, 492118, 493118, 494118London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730119490119, 491119, 492119, 493119, 494119London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730120490120, 491120, 492120, 493120, 494120London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730121490121, 491121, 492121, 493121, 494121London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730122490122, 491122, 492122, 493122, 494122London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730123490123, 491123, 492123, 493123, 494123London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730124490124, 491124, 492124, 493124, 494124London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730125490125, 491125, 492125, 493125, 494125London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730126490126, 491126, 492126, 493126, 494126London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730127490127, 491127, 492127, 493127, 494127London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730128490128, 491128, 492128, 493128, 494128London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730129490129, 491129, 492129, 493129, 494129London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730201490201, 491201, 492201, 493201, 494201London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730202490202, 491202, 492202, 493202, 494202London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730203490203, 491203, 492203, 493203, 494203London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730204490204, 491204, 492204, 493204, 494204London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730205490205, 491205, 492205, 493205, 494205London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730206490206, 491206, 492206, 493206, 494206London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730207490207, 491207, 492207, 493207, 494207London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730208490208, 491208, 492208, 493208, 494208London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730209490209, 491209, 492209, 493209, 494209London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730210490210, 491210, 492210, 493210, 494210London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730211490211, 491211, 492211, 493211, 494211London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730212490212, 491212, 492212, 493212, 494212London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730213490213, 491213, 492213, 493213, 494213London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730214490214, 491214, 492214, 493214, 494214London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730215490215, 491215, 492215, 493215, 494215London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
730216490216, 491216, 492216, 493216, 494216London North Western RailwayTBCIn Production
How fast can they go?
 

Spirit555

Member
Joined
8 Oct 2017
Messages
821
90 mph on the data panel.

They also only have 201 seats compared to a 323 which has 275. There look to be far too many tables on it. I viewed it at Walsall today complete with loads of weights inside on all seats. There are also bolts already missing on the cabs where it appears they have fell out !!!. If you compare the seating, a 6 car 323 has 550 seats compare to a 6 car 730 which as only 402. That's one hell of a reduction. any views appreciated.

Mark
 

AgentGemini

Member
Joined
8 Jun 2019
Messages
119
Doesn't surprise me. Abellio planned for more "metro" style stand-up passenger accommodation. Which will only make commutes even more crowded and uncomfortable.

And we're now in an era where we need to entice people to come back to the railways for travel...
 

Spirit555

Member
Joined
8 Oct 2017
Messages
821
There isn't much in the way of standing area on the unit, apart from the usual door areas and having viewed it yesterday there seems to be far too many tables though.

Mark
 

Purple Orange

On Moderation
Joined
26 Dec 2019
Messages
3,438
Location
The North
My personal experience of moving to a 2+2 layout on the 331s v 3+2 on the 323s is that the 331s are better. Standing is not the end of the world and it’s not comfortable sat in the middle of a 3 or on the aisle seat with someone stood right next to you or sat tightly against you in the middle seat. Do the 730s also have more space in the vestibule area between carriages? That is a bit of a godsend on the 331s compared to the 323s.
 

Merle Haggard

Established Member
Joined
20 Oct 2019
Messages
1,979
Location
Northampton
I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
97,532
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...

Two things.

1. The franchise agreement under which they were ordered was (like Greater Anglia) based on "seats into London".
2. Standing is more acceptable on short distance stopping services into a city where the journey time is no more than about half an hour than it is on medium distance commuter services where it is often twice that.
 

Domh245

Established Member
Joined
6 Apr 2013
Messages
8,426
Location
nowhere
I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...

For metro-type services, you want 2+2 to give large aisles to "cram em in". For 'outer-suburban' services you want 3+2 so you can brag about the number of seats/day to a terminal - GA being case in point. And then you change type again to the long-distance services where you want 2+2 for comfort reasons, but include things like armrests and slightly wider seats
 

Merle Haggard

Established Member
Joined
20 Oct 2019
Messages
1,979
Location
Northampton
For 'outer-suburban' services you want 3+2 so you can brag about the number of seats/day to a terminal - GA being case in point.

Yes, thanks, that figures, achieving a KPI in isolation from its underlying intention; in much the same way as 'there are 2 TPH from Northampton to Euston', but they both arrive within a few minutes - just one minute apart, in the case of the10hrs departures.

As already mentioned 3-seat benches are uncomfortable, in different ways, for passengers in each position.
 

Mollman

Established Member
Joined
21 Sep 2016
Messages
1,210
I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...
The 3+2 batch are replacing the 350/2s which are 3+2 seating and have been upgraded to 110mph as they often appear on faster services.
 

Merle Haggard

Established Member
Joined
20 Oct 2019
Messages
1,979
Location
Northampton
The 3+2 batch are replacing the 350/2s which are 3+2 seating and have been upgraded to 110mph as they often appear on faster services.

The 3+2 batch are for 'outer suburban services'. If these are the Tring and Milton Keynes locals there doesn't seem to be a need for 110 mph capability. However, the 350/2s appear on longer distance services (or at least did, pre covid), so the inference is that this will continue with the new trains. Might not be so attractive to the optional market the industry needs to attract, with the captive commuter market (who have no choice) reduced by WFH.
 

ExRes

Established Member
Joined
16 Dec 2012
Messages
5,759
Location
Back in Sussex
Quick question for those of you in the know on 730s, has 730101 been abroad, Vellim? for testing, I'm assuming that's the reason it came up from Dollands Moor today

Thanks
 

Spirit555

Member
Joined
8 Oct 2017
Messages
821
I have been told that there is a 5 car 730 on Crewe LNWR.

Has anyone any info.

Any gen appreciated.

Mark
 

The_Train

Established Member
Joined
2 Jun 2018
Messages
4,313
I've seen someone quoting photo's they took of the 730 drag as being 730102
 

Top