Classes 44/45/46 on mainline tours?

Iskra

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With the relatively recent return of multiple class 40 locomotives to mainline railtour haulage and the crowds these locomotives draw; it got me wondering why there seems to be no Peak haulage on similar tours despite the relatively high number of these locomotives that are preserved? Other locomotives from their time period appear very popular, so it seems logical that the Peaks would be too?

Do any of the preserved 44/45/46’s venture onto the mainline or are there any future plans for them to do so?
 
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With the relatively recent return of multiple class 40 locomotives to mainline railtour haulage and the crowds these locomotives draw; it got me wondering why there seems to be no Peak haulage on similar tours despite the relatively high number of these locomotives that are preserved? Other locomotives from their time period appear very popular, so it seems logical that the Peaks would be too?
Maintaining a locomotive for mainline use is expensive, certainly more so than for preserved railway use given the need for on-train monitoring equipment and mainline-worthy reliability and tyre size.

Clearly, there has been enough dedication and money to keep 40145 alive and to return 40013 to the mainline.

45118 is owned by LSL and could potentially be returned to the mainline, although this is from 2018, and I guess resource means that other locomotives are in front of it in the queue.
https://www.railexpress.co.uk/1639/peak-could-go-main-line/
‘PEAK’ COULD GO MAIN LINE

28th March 2018 Sam Hewitt News

Crewe-based Locomotive Services has added a Class 45 to its growing loco fleet.

FURTHER expansion of the Locomotive Services fleet took place in early February with the acquisition of ‘Peak’ No. 45118 The Royal Artilleryman – which has been located at Loram (formerly RVEL) at Derby since 2009 – by its Locomotive Diesels business.
http://www.theonetoonecollection.co...tion-museum/off-site-2/the-royal-artilleryman
‘THE ROYAL ARTILLERYMAN’ : BR 45118 (D67)
‘PEAK’ CLASS 45 : 1CO-CO1

The British Rail Class 45s, also known as the Sulzer Type 4 diesel locomotives, were built by British Rail at their Derby and Crewe Works between 1960 and 1962. Along with the similar Class 44 and 46 locomotives, they became known as ‘Peaks’. This particular locomotive went by the name of ‘The Royal Artilleryman’. The Class 45s became the main traction on the Midland Main Line from 1962 and their introduction allowed considerable acceleration of the previous steam-powered service. The Class 45s remained the main source of power on the Midland Main Line up to 1982, when they were relegated to secondary services following introduction of HSTs on the route. From 1986 Class 45s virtually disappeared from the line. From the early 1980s until their withdrawal c.1988, the class were regular performers on the North Trans-Pennine line working services from Liverpool Lime Street to York, Scarborough or Newcastle via Manchester Victoria, Huddersfield and Leeds. The ‘Royal Artilleryman’ is currently based at Crewe.

46035 was prevalent on mainline tours in the early 2000s when it was owned by Pete Waterman but it is a long time since that locomotive was active. A similar thread from ten years ago suggests that 45112 was also - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/peaks-on-the-mainline.54241/

The most recent working I can find for 46035 was in 2003 - https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/00s/030517dr.htm - soon afterwards it was withdrawn from mainline operation.
17th May 2003

Daylight Railtours
The Sarum Sulzers

Locos Used 46035 & 47224
Route:
1Z91 : Alton to Salisbury
1Z93 : Salisbury to Alton

The final trip for 45112 appears to have been in 2007 - https://sixbellsjunction.co.uk/00s/070127hr.htm
27th January 2007

Hertfordshire Rail Tours
Tubular Belle Merrymaker

Inter City Merrymaker series

Locos Used 45112 & 47847
Stock Used ?????
Route:
1Z56 : York to Holyhead
1Z57 : Holyhead to York

Locos Route
45112 (1) York - Doncaster - Mexborough - Thrybergh Jn - Rotherham Masborough - Wincobank Jn - Sheffield - Dore - Chesterfield - Derby - Uttoxeter - Stoke-On-Trent - Alsager - Crewe - Chester - Llandudno Jn - Holyhead
45112 (1) Holyhead - (reverse of outward route) - York
Notes :
(1) 47847 on rear.

Sources : David Bellamy & Ralf Edge

Tour Review
(by Ralf Edge)

A final trip with 45112 on the mainline before she was withdrawn due to the cost of OTMR fitment, well it just had to be done. As the day drew nearer notoriously unreliable and seemingly neglected 45112 languished at Long Marston with no maintenance had seemingly been carried out and FM appeared to be in administration, the chances of the tour 'producing' let alone with 45112 looked very slim indeed. Unbearably close to the tour date 45112 was dragged to Gloucester, Crewe and then Derby before surprisingly appearing on a test run on the eve of the tour. This run, and the tour proved many wrong who had been sceptical if 45112 would ever work again... Thankfully the test run went smoothly...

The next morning 47847 dragged the stock and 45112 to York, 47847 being taken along on the rear of the tour to supply the train ETH and act as a back-up loco, which thankfully wasn't needed.
 
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As Jonathan has said, maintaining any preserved loco in a condition suitable for Network Rail operation is very very expensive. As a prerequisite you need TPWS, OTDR and a whole host of certification such as ultratrasonic axle testing. The cabs need to meet standards, as well as windscreens etc etc. Certain operators have their locos kitted up for the extra equipment, and Network Rail are currently going through the "first of the type" cab designs for ETCS, which is why I suspect the real reason DRS locos are at Bo'ness is for FOTT. I am guessing either 45112 or 45118 would need to be FOTT for the class 45.

The other hindrance with the class 45s, which admittedly also applies to the 40s is the long plate bogie frames, and their tendency to fracture. Is there a class 45 in existence without welded up bogie plates - 40s also for that matter.

45s and 46s were very popular in days gone by and I think back to one of the best ever railtours i did "The Lynn Liner" https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/80s/841103fw.htm

That utterly fantastic 46026 "Leicestershire & Derbyshire Yeomanry" never missed a beat and absolutely romped our train along where she could. I joined at New St in the morning, and got off at Westbury, for a Crompton to Bristol for a "large Crompton" on 1S19 back to Brum. Good solid tour and a tragedy that she was scrapped.
 

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I believe that one of the 2 ex mainline Peaks is chocked full of asbestos hence when Network Rail brought in the higher standards it was decided to not overhaul the loco. I could be wrong though
 

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44s probably a non starter due to lack of air brakes. Peak bogies also a problem as suffer from cracks, which are acceptable for preservation use but probably need repairing for the mainline, which is expensive.
 

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I believe that one of the 2 ex mainline Peaks is chocked full of asbestos hence when Network Rail brought in the higher standards it was decided to not overhaul the loco. I could be wrong though
Is that an substantiated rumour ? I have no idea either way but the "two ex mainline" peaks could possibly be the two preserved ones which have run on the mainline since fleet withdrawal. Presumably 45112 and 46035 ? I have seen suggestions online that 45015 at Shackerstone has a small about of asbestos in the boiler compartment, which is a concern and would cost a few bob to remove. However, 45112 was a very early ETH convert so may well have had the asbestos removed back in the late 1960s when converted. 46035 - who knows - assuming these are the two peaks you mean.
 

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Is that an substantiated rumour ? I have no idea either way but the "two ex mainline" peaks could possibly be the two preserved ones which have run on the mainline since fleet withdrawal. Presumably 45112 and 46035 ? I have seen suggestions online that 45015 at Shackerstone has a small about of asbestos in the boiler compartment, which is a concern and would cost a few bob to remove. However, 45112 was a very early ETH convert so may well have had the asbestos removed back in the late 1960s when converted. 46035 - who knows - assuming these are the two peaks you mean.
I remember reading somewhere ages ago a mention of asbestos and a Peak. I couldn't tell you which one or where I read the article so it could just be hearsay but as I said I only believe means chances are it could be wrong
 

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For all your 45015 needs, I’ve reopened this thread (which was gathering virtual moss at the end of a siding) to continue that discussion. ;)

 

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For all your 45015 needs, I’ve reopened this thread (which was gathering virtual moss at the end of a siding) to continue that discussion. ;)

It still seems to be closed.
 

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Back in January 2007 (31st of that month) and a few days after the farewell tour quoted by @JonathanH above, 45112 worked a Chaddesdon-Long Marston (headcode 4Z47; so close with that headcode. ;)), conveying 12 KAA wagons for storage at the latter. Martin Loader (hondawanderer) was on hand to catch that and the return light engine working.


 

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Back in January 2007 (31st of that month) and a few days after the farewell tour quoted by @JonathanH above, 45112 worked a Chaddesdon-Long Marston (headcode 4Z47; so close with that headcode. ;)), conveying 12 KAA wagons for storage at the latter. Martin Loader (hondawanderer) was on hand to catch that and the return light engine working.



That’s a fine sight I must say. I remember seeing them with that headcode arrangement when I was a young lad.
 

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A fine, if slightly odd sight: a Peak with 12 KAA wagons in tow!

I’ve got a photo of me having my nappy changed on the platform at Dawlish station with a Peak in the background in the 1970s that I’ve shared on here a couple of times. I’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for a Seventies looking BR blue Peak because they’re stirred in with my earliest railway memories…
 

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I’ve got a photo of me having my nappy changed on the platform at Dawlish station with a Peak in the background in the 1970s that I’ve shared on here a couple of times. I’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for a Seventies looking BR blue Peak because they’re stirred in with my earliest railway memories…
Brilliant. :D

It's funny how those kinda things stick in your memory. It's like me and tatty, SPT Orange/Black-liveried Class 303s: some of the earliest railway memories I have involve them and they are some of the ones I look back with the greatest amount of fondness.
 

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Recall originally being booked on the Ixion return to the mainline as a teenager. It got redated a few times so eventually I gave up, got a refund and did Manchester to Brighton and return on a return ticket instead as I wanted to clear off all the remaining bits of the IC network I could.

Sadly not had a peak (45) on the mainline since the late 80s as a kid as wasn't bothered enough to chase 45112 or Ixion for that matter while they both had brief comebacks. Do recall seeing a few of Ixions last workings though which including short service train outings into Manchester on Rugby relief train dates for the Marches. Must be a chance I have had a 46 on the Newcastle/York to Liverpool route too as toddler or early primary school age since they did drop still along side everything else along there.

Looking at other recent goings on at LSL the peak would probably drop onto those IC Mk3s so perhaps I'd cheekily suggest a little spin to Paignton would be logical to recreate the final service train haulage of summer 1988 where similar stock featured. Fastest fingers first on getting tickets though as no doubt it'll be all first class and sell out at haste.
 

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