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Climate Change Strike: Children walk out of school to protest at the lack of action

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What do you think? Is striking (and therefore missing out on some education) appropriate in this case?

Theresa May showed her true colors to say that all those climate children should be in school and not demonstrate for their future.


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Background for those who are not aware (BBC)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-47242477
Are the UK's school strikes for climate change the moment that British youth finally wakes up to the "climate emergency"?

It may not represent a paradigm shift just yet, but the speed and scale of this young person's movement does make it feel more than a momentary splutter of impotent anger.

Ever since the then 15-year-old Swede Greta Thunberg decided to stop going to school on Fridays last year and instead protest outside the Swedish parliament, there has been a rapid expansion in similar activities in many parts of the world, especially in Europe.

Tens of thousands of schoolchildren in Belgium, Germany and other locations have cut classes and taken to the streets to call on governments to take urgent action on climate change.

Now young people in the UK are due to join them, determined to affect change on the issue that they feel is most germane to their future - the impacts of rapidly rising temperatures on an ever more crowded planet.

Greta's memorable phrase that we "cannot solve the crisis without treating it as a crisis", reflects the thinking of many, frustrated with the slow pace of progress.

That sense of crisis has been affected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report on the impacts of global temperature reaching 1.5C, released last October.

"We are doing this because we feel that climate action really needs to happen after the IPCC report," said Lottie, 17, who says she will join a school protest in London.

Speaking to the BBC, she said: "We've been told we have to take serious action and have just 12 years to cut our carbon emissions in half. As the young people who are going to be most affected by the fact that no-one is taking any action on climate change - this is our entire future.

"We can't vote yet and this is one of the most effective ways of making our voices heard."

Last year also brought a wide range of impacts including heatwaves and forest fires that scientists say were made worse by climate change.

All the while, the emissions that are driving up temperatures continue to go up, not down.

In the face of this continuing catalogue, the actions taken by governments seem rather limited, much to the frustration of scientists and campaigners.

Students contrast the slow pace of tackling climate change with the fact they have managed to get a movement going to organise a UK-wide strike in only four weeks.

What are the students hoping to achieve by striking?
According to the UK Student Climate Network, there are four key demands.

They want the government "to declare a climate emergency", and inform the public about the seriousness of the situation.

They also want the national curriculum reformed to include "the ecological crisis as an educational priority".

To fully include young people in decision-making, especially about issues related to climate change, they are calling on the government to lower the age of voting to 16.

These goals are being supported by a group of around 200 UK academics, who have written to a national newspaper to say they stand in solidarity with the strikers.

"With the dilution of citizenship education in recent years, this is an important opportunity for schools, colleges and universities to support active citizenship and political engagement," said Molly Scott Cato, the Green Party MEP who signed the letter, who is also a professor of green economics, at the University of Roehampton.

"Far from being disengaged, these strikes demonstrate that many young people do care passionately about our planet and the welfare of our neighbours across the world. Our politicians should pay attention and deliver policies that will safeguard future generations."

So will it have an impact?
Young people were far, far more visible at last December's key UN climate meeting in Katowice, Poland. Their energy and demands for speedy action marked a significant change from previous events.

Similarly in the US, we are seeing demands from young people for political action on climate change, forcefully represented by Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She is the driving force behind the Green New Deal, a radical climate plan that would see the US decarbonise in only 10 years.

In Europe the school strikers are also making a powerful impression.

"They have put the climate issue on the public agenda," said Conner Rousseau, a spokesperson for the Flemish Socialist party in Belgium.

"They've forced all of the Belgian political parties to take a stand on the climate issue. We have elections in May, it will be one of the main themes."

Observers believe the same thing can happen in the UK.

"If the government is serious about winning over the next generation of voters, then they need to heed their most pressing concerns," said Richard Baker, from Christian Aid.

"But more importantly they are sparking a national debate, they are forcing teachers, parents and politicians to re-evaluate the issue of climate breakdown and, what is most important, while lifting our gaze beyond just immediate short-term national concerns."
 
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What do you think? Is striking (and therefore missing out on some education) appropriate in this case?

I was heartened to see it myself - kids really care, unlike a great deal of adults. It's their future - it's already being screwed up by bickering about Brexit (whether you're for or against it, or whether you want a deal or no, it really is being mishandled to the detriment of everyone) without them being flooded out and the likes.

Listen to them, I say.

As for May, I lost all respect for her over said Brexit debacle, to be honest. She deserves to sit behind Cameron in the history of discredited politicians.
 

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They probably benefitted far more as people from the experience than they would have learned in the classroom that day.
 

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They probably benefitted far more as people from the experience than they would have learned in the classroom that day.

Certainly more than a week in Spain in the sun, as many parents try to take kids out for.

Of course Theresa doesn't like it - as they are yet another example of a step-change in politics that is needed. Hopefully the mooted split in both main parties after Brexit actually takes place, which should provide the (metaphorical) kick it needs to become reality.
 

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On BBC Radio London this morning (Saturday breakfast), they were using this to ask whether 16-year-olds should get the vote. Surely most of these children aren't 16+ anyway?
 

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I really think May's intervention was misguided. It ignored the whole issue, and ended up just being patronising. Need we start reminding her the record of a certain Mr. M. Gove on environmental matters before he became (God knows how) a minister in that department? Let alone Andrea Leadsom who, according to someone I know who works in the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, said something along the lines of "is this Climate Change thing actually real?" when she was first plonked into the office.
 

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On BBC Radio London this morning (Saturday breakfast), they were using this to ask whether 16-year-olds should get the vote. Surely most of these children aren't 16+ anyway?

They're probably not, but I am certainly in favour of 16 year olds getting the vote, many of them are far more politically aware than a lot of adults.
 

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Perhaps these youngsters should be lobbying parents at the school gate not to drive their kids a mile to school by car - which seems to have becoming a common thing in the past 20 years. That is, asssuming they aren't among those who get a lift the short distance to school themselves...
 

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Perhaps these youngsters should be lobbying parents at the school gate not to drive their kids a mile to school by car - which seems to have becoming a common thing in the past 20 years. That is, asssuming they aren't among those who get a lift the short distance to school themselves...

Now that is a good point. School traffic, certainly primary school traffic, is one of the worst and most avoidable types. Though that said, with both parents in most families now having to work due to things like higher house prices, it would require other options to be mandated on schools other than just parents walking them to school. A combination of walking buses with local meeting points for handover and of electric "actual" buses (dedicated in the US style) might be a good start.
 

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More like been indoctrinated by leftie teachers.

I actually think that's quite offensive, to be honest. I don't mean in a snowflakey way (no skin off my nose, I'm in my late 30s...for a few months, anyway! :) ) but insulting to their intelligence - the kids' intelligence, I mean.

I know we did school elections when I was aged around 16, and the level of awareness of issues (not necessarily actual party politics, but issues) was far greater than in many middle aged "I vote what I always vote" adults.

I've also spoken to Explorer Scouts (age 14-18) about the world around them and politics, and my observations are of anything but people who had been brainwashed.
 

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Some of last weeks kids in Den Haag, Netherlands were invited by PM Mark Rutte. Theresa May's reaction is to say that there is no climateproblem.
 

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Some of last weeks kids in Den Haag, Netherlands were invited by PM Mark Rutte. Theresa May's reaction is to say that there is no climateproblem.

To be fair to her I don't believe she actually said that, but I do think what she has said and done is quite disgraceful and not going to do anything for the future of the present party political system.

That said, if there's a silver lining in that particular cloud.... :D
 

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Now that is a good point. School traffic, certainly primary school traffic, is one of the worst and most avoidable types. Though that said, with both parents in most families now having to work due to things like higher house prices, it would require other options to be mandated on schools other than just parents walking them to school. A combination of walking buses with local meeting points for handover and of electric "actual" buses (dedicated in the US style) might be a good start.

How about walking themselves! Or is that too dangerous nowadays (due in part to the high amount of traffic which those parents are causing themselves...)?
 

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How about walking themselves! Or is that too dangerous nowadays (due in part to the high amount of traffic which those parents are causing themselves...)?

It's considered too dangerous by many parents, even though in a good many cases it probably isn't actually too dangerous (road safety is after all better than it was). Though parents' cars are certainly not helping.
 

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I hope that Theresa May's remark about jam, that if you remove the fungus you still eat the jam on your bread is than also not true.
 

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It's considered too dangerous by many parents, even though in a good many cases it probably isn't actually too dangerous (road safety is after all better than it was). Though parents' cars are certainly not helping.

Yes that is what I actually meant! I don't believe that in reality it is actually any dangerous to when I went to school in the 1970s/80s. Even at age 11, I used to go to the bus stop on my own.
 

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Yes that is what I actually meant! I don't believe that in reality it is actually any dangerous to when I went to school in the 1970s/80s. Even at age 11, I used to go to the bus stop on my own.

To be fair I'm mainly thinking of primary schools here (i.e. ages 4-5 to 10), which in almost every part of the UK other than very rural ones are typically no more than a street or two away[1], rather than secondary schools which are often in the next town and to which most kids do still travel under their own steam (in some form or another).

[1] Yes, parents do sometimes choose one further away, but that is part of the problem.
 

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Google: Theresa May's official stance on moldy jam. Article is from 2 to 3 days ago depending on source.
 

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Yes that is what I actually meant! I don't believe that in reality it is actually any dangerous to when I went to school in the 1970s/80s. Even at age 11, I used to go to the bus stop on my own.
I had an hour commute by train to/from school which I did on my own from 11. It was a lot later than the 80s. I managed to survive.
 

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In the context of reducing unnecessary food waste (which is a problem in Britain) she was saying nothing wrong or controversial.

Apart from giving rise to gags and comment asking if there's nothing more pressing she might want to concentrate on, of course.
 

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In the context of reducing unnecessary food waste (which is a problem in Britain) she was saying nothing wrong or controversial.

Indeed. It is factually correct that it's safe to eat jam and cheese by removing the mould. Unlike when it comes to meat, the mould itself isn't dangerous in most cases anyway even if you did eat it, it's mostly penicillin or related to it. And people pay good money for mouldy cheese :D

That said, given my sweet tooth and cheese addiction, there is absolutely no chance of any of either being in my fridge long enough to get anywhere near mouldy.

That said, it's not really the time to say that, as it rather sounds like we'll all be resorting to eating mouldy Tesco Value Strawberry and cheap mouldy Cheddar after Brexit :D
 

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Even as someone who's friends went on strike and was invited, I find it ridiculous. Very few of those going had any knowledge of the (serious) issue they were protesting against, let alone a solution for it, and far too many people were doing it because they "get to miss school"

Climate change is important, but bunking off school isn't the answer and to me devaluates the cause.
 

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I agree with their actions although it's disappointing that May as the PM decided it wasn't acceptable however I partly laid the blame for her response to the civil service and those who advise her.

I'm not sure about lowering the voting age though as I still remain to be convinced of this.
 

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To be fair I'm mainly thinking of primary schools here (i.e. ages 4-5 to 10), which in almost every part of the UK other than very rural ones are typically no more than a street or two away[1], rather than secondary schools which are often in the next town and to which most kids do still travel under their own steam (in some form or another).

[1] Yes, parents do sometimes choose one further away, but that is part of the problem.

Actually my reference to the bus to school was primary school (when they changed the route of the bus we caught, I even walked down to the bus depot where it started from on the final day of the old route so I could do it in its entirety :lol: ). I went to primary by bus and walked/cycled a mile to secondary...
 

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Actually my reference to the bus to school was primary school (when they changed the route of the bus we caught, I even walked down to the bus depot where it started from on the final day of the old route so I could do it in its entirety :lol: ). I went to primary by bus and walked/cycled a mile to secondary...

Ah, OK, just that most 11 year olds are either at or nearly at secondary. Stopping the driving of 5 year olds to school will take a different approach, which is where the "walking bus" idea comes in. The housewife used to do it, of course (house husbands are also available), but that's not where we are now - though more home-working could help the case, as I could certainly fit walking a child to and from my nearest primary school around my mostly-from-home work pattern with a very occasional arrangement with another parent in case of a work trip. In the morning it'd be before I start, in the afternoon I'd just block half an hour out in my calendar and work half an hour later.

Doesn't work for everyone, but if those who could do it did, that's quite a few cars off the road.
 

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I'd love to see your evidence for this. What counts as "indoctrination"? How do you know substantive political indoctrination actually takes place in the average school? How do you know that this indoctrination is left wing?

I remember a particular teacher who was very keen to impart specific views onto us, and who seemed to exhibit particular favouritism to some and disfavouritism to others, which at the time we all found rather strange. Only a bit later on did we find out he was the local candidate for something like the socialist alliance.

Looking back quite some years on now in retrospect much of this guy’s teaching was an attempt to install particular views into people. Abundantly obvious to me as an adult, not so obvious to a child. Political allegiances have no place in schools.

To be fair this guy was probably the odd one out. Thinking back, many even in retrospect it would be hard to guess who they voted for.
 
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What do you think? Is striking (and therefore missing out on some education) appropriate in this case?

As long as it's the children themselves taking the lead in organising it, I would say it's fine. If - say - it'd been something like a political party deliberately trying to persuade children to strike, then I'd have felt pretty uneasy about it, but as far as I can tell from the coverage of it, that's not the case: It really does seem to be children taking the initiative and wanting to do this. And given that, I think it's great that, not only are children taking an interest in politics, but that they are taking action for altruistic reasons: For a cause that relates to the good of humanity as a whole, rather than to any selfish interests. Compare that with - say - the French 'yellow vests' - fully grown adults who started not only demonstrating, but actually engaging in violence and vandalism, to a large extent because they didn't want to pay higher fuel duties for all the pollution they cause. Which group of people are the ones acting in a more mature manner...

In terms of missing out on education... It's one day. If it was a month, then, yes, it'd be a concern, but most responsible people ought to be able to catch up on one day without a problem. Millions of children will routinely miss that much just for being slightly unwell.
 
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