Collision and derailment at Neville Hill Depot (13/11)

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  1. fgwrich

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    It's not just the way that it's derailed that's a concern, but also for the way the Dellner inter car connectors (couplings) acted attributing to the derailment.
     
  2. Bevan Price

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    If the HST was stationary, then the brakes would need to have been on -- the line from Leeds Marsh Lane towards Neville Hill is uphill with a gradient slightly steeper than 1 in 300.
     
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    I'd have thought that the couplings within each set would be semi-permanent bar couplers as most stock is these days, usually with a deformation/collapsible mounting at one end. May still be made by Dellner but they won't be 'autocouplers' as they are on the outer ends of the unit.
     
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    :D

    I saw them in my initial Spotting career from 1992 to 1999, but not in my new one since 2016 :)
     
  5. High Dyke

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    That was the problem... ATE (Hitachi) wanted to move it under its own power, but sources at LNER say it isn't fit for movement by rail.
     
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    I'd say let ATE do as they wish as they'll be the ones who'll be fixing any additional damage they cause - LNER can then say 'we told you...'

    Only winners are likely to be the lawyers when it ends up in court!
     
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    Providing someone is brave enough to sign a fitness to run certificate
     
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    It all depends on what damage is caused...If it's to infrastructure then Network Rail wouldn't be impressed. Equally, if the unit was moved by rail and then subsequently has an issue en-route; then imagine the delays that could be incurred. The finger of blame would need to point somewhere.
     
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    Is there Low Loader access into Neville Hill or at a nearby access point?
    Maybe down the bottom of the hill at the old stone terminal.
     
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    Who owns the train set? Presumably ATE (Hitachi).... So presumably its those call as to what they want to do with it?

    Is ATE (Hitachi) in a position to do this themselves, or are they reliant upon an operator (LNER or otherwise) to perform such a duty prior to that party moving the trainset on the national network?

    A very good question indeed. Presumably, it is possible to detach all of the units on the depot inorder to transport them via road?

    Failing that and it needs to go via the national network, such possibilities could of course include a severe speed restriction, causing much more disruption...
     
  11. Dren Ahmeti

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    If something like that had to run under a 8X headcode, it would be run at night, or outside of the peaks.
     
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    Is that with reference to the unit involved in the PHBT incident though?
     
  13. High Dyke

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    Yes, it was.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    PHBT? could you elaborate what that is?
     
  16. High Dyke

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    Person Hit By a Train.
     
  17. Speed43125

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    Ah, Okay thanks!
     
  18. Leeds1970

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    normal trucks delivering power units/wheel sets can access however something like one of the Alleyleys trucks would be a definite no.. the turn from Osmonthorpe lane onto York road has a sharp hump and a dip --
     
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    Very sorry, should have clarified :oops:
    Thanks to @High Dyke :cake:
     
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    Ah I see, I was referring to the one derailed on the DHGL.
    Any news yet on what is happening with that one?
     
  21. eastdyke

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    I don't have any info.
    But having been derailed, for whatever reason (collision, trackwork or train), I would presume it unlikely that everybody would be happy for route ECML back to Newton Aycliffe :|
     
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    What joy to have such a fragmented railway. The only people who benefit from such incidents are the lawyers.
     
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    Noted some of the vehicles in the formation having wheelskates fitted on Neville Hill this afternoon.
     
  24. PG

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    Pardon my ignorance but how far can rolling stock travel on wheelskates? Around the corner or somewhat further distances?
     
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    As far as you like, it just has to be done at very low speed; so that speed makes it prohibitive.
     
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    Thanks for answering that for me.
    Seems likely if ATE want 800109 back to Newton Aycliffe it'll have to go by road then - unless they crawl up the ECML on 25th Dec!
     
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    If it has to travel by road then how will they get the train onto the truck considering (if I haven't read it wrong) its already been said on here that one of the now famous Alleyleys trucks won't fit down the road to Neville Hill? Surely moving it away by road if one of their trucks can't get access is going to prove difficult
     
  28. DarloRich

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    you would just break the journey up into chunks and do it over night, subject to possessions. It would take quite a while mind!

    move it somewhere where a truck can easily access the railway.

    What are you on about?
     
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    Neville Hill to Midland Road depot, good road access, or even back to Doncaster depot over night, may still take a few nights and stops in loops to get it there, but again Doncaster Iep depot has good road access.
     
  30. syorksdeano

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    Why can't they just move it to Doncaster anyway as I thought that that was a maintenance depot?

    Obviously it needs more than a bit of tape to fix it, but surely it would easier
     

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