Maybe they did, and they just couldn't stop in time- possibly accentuated by the rail and weather conditions.If the signals were not lit then the driver should have treated them as being their most restrictive aspect.
Im not overly fussed with the pics being leaked...(nothing to hide and all that) but im concerned about internal communica and reports being leaked.These photos have clearly been photographed off a screen. Whoever is leaking these images and other information from internal sources should be ashamed.
I'd say that around 100-150 passengers were taken off 2 trains at the station with vague descriptions of "an incident in the tunnel" that was initially blocking eastbound trains, after about 30 minutes it was advised that all trains will be cancelled and we started seeing people heading down the line with protective gear and head torches on. The platform was blocked off and remaining passengers were asked to congregate outside the front of the station, at times we were asked to move to allow various police and ambulance crews to enter the station
"It is understood that the 1708 Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads train, a Great Western service, hit an object as it came out of a tunnel near Salisbury station and the rear carriage derailed."
I was only trying to answer the question as to what a driver should do if the signal was not lit correctly. I have no idea what did/didn't take place here and have no wish to speculate, hence the heavy emphasis in my original post on the "if".Maybe they did, and they just couldn't stop in time- possibly accentuated by the rail and weather conditions.
Entirely possible for the cables to have been damaged by the derailment, but (if, and it’s a BIG ‘if’, that’s what happened) damaged in such a way as to give a proceed aspect to a following train, especially when there’s two ways to approach from? That’s sheer bad luck. I can’t think of another instance of something like that happening. The full circumstances will come out in time.Do we know this to be true?
The reports say the signalling was knocked out. We don't know how that happened. It's quite possible that the signal protecting the tunnel was no longer operating correctly. The cabling could easily have been damaged during the train derailment.
I'm also glad that everyone seems to be (relatively) unscathed.
If power to this area is fed through the tunnel and the cable has been severed that would lead to dark signals so plausible but not sure what drivers responsibilities are in this situation.
If the signals were not lit then the driver should have treated them as being their most restrictive aspect.
Entirely possible for the cables to have been damaged by the derailment, but (if, and it’s a BIG ‘if’, that’s what happened) damaged in such a way as to give a proceed aspect to a following train, especially when there’s two ways to approach from? That’s sheer bad luck. I can’t think of another instance of something like that happening. The full circumstances will come out in time.
This is speculation at this time. Wait for the RAIB.From the Telegraph Website "It is understood that the 1708 Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads train, a Great Western service, hit an object as it came out of a tunnel near Salisbury station and the rear carriage derailed."
WICC: Incident Message Red: 1F30/1L53 derailment and collision
1F30 has struck an object in Fishwrton tunnel on the down line approaching Salisbury.
1F30 has derailed in the tunnel and 1L53 has then struck 1F30.
Both trains are derailed and 1F30 is on its side.
No injuries reported on 1L53. The driver is trapped in the cab and its unknown if they are injured.
No information on the passengers and crew on 1F30.
Multiple staff on en route and emergency services have declared this as a critical incident
Conventional double junction.Is the junction layout a diamond or a pair of single lead turnouts and up-down facing crossover? I wonder if the southbound GWR passing the junction has any bearing on the route the SWR service has taken to come into collision with the preceding GWR.
I suppose an advantage of axle counters is that a unit leaving the rails entirely can't result in a section appearing empty. I assume the signalling isn't clever enough to realise that a train "disappearing", i.e. leaving a block but not having entered the next one, hasn't actually left it?
Comments on that tweet include jokes about bad parking and GTA. Too soon?The Politics For All Twitter account has just tweeted what they described as an exclusive picture of the trains in the tunnel. I have attached a link below and the photo.
I agree, I shared the image from politics for all and typed it out for accessibility purposes for our visually impaired readers so I hope no thanks I'm glorifying it just helping outWhoever from the industry has leaked the control logs and images of the incident should have the book thrown at them...
Officers are continuing to respond to the incident at Fisherton Tunnel. A number of people have been injured, but thankfully no one has died. Updates will continue to be shared here.
It's a diamond crossing. Not enough room for a ladder junction.Is the junction layout a diamond or a pair of single lead turnouts and up-down facing crossover? I wonder if the southbound GWR passing the junction has any bearing on the route the SWR service has taken to come into collision with the preceding GWR.
Of course the bloke next to you on the train, who happens to be a signaller, wouldn't know as he's not on duty!i was on the train behind this at andover when i was directed back to basingstoke. sitting with a signaller who works at salisbury and he says he had no idea until i told him what happened
Thank god. It looks really nasty.
You'd be surprised how much staff who are not working know about incidents that happen when they are off.Of course the bloke next to you on the train, who happens to be a signaller, wouldn't know as he's not on duty!