Could Brexit may play a role in where trains are built?

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  1. thenorthern

    thenorthern Established Member

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    I would think Brexit may play a role in where trains are built as trains may not be included in a free trade agreement and even if they are it won't be as simple as it is now to bring in trains from the EU to the UK.
     
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  3. superkev

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    Of course the other side of the coin is we dont make many of the tech components here anymore so motors, engines, electrics air con and much more all from abroad. Sad that looking round my front room the other day the only thing I could identify as british was my ancient suite and my own amateur transport art. So sad.
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  4. hooverboy

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    completely agree.
    we need to do A LOT more tech+manufacturing in house.

    funnily enough, I think the de-industrialisation is one of the primary causes of the brexit vote going how it did.
    had we kept more of our means to produce,we would have probably voted the other way.

    same with fisheries and so on.
    oil reserves...should have done what norway did and had a sovereign wealth fund(with the proverbial hitting the fan in iran quite soon by the look of it then this one really does need addressing pronto)

    you can argue until the cows come home about who is responsible, but ultimately I believe it's very bad management at the top not fighting their corner properly.
    (INDIGENOUS)Manufacturing needs to be about 20% of GDP to balance the books.

    we certainly are capable of it,but not while our kids are force-fed celebrity ice breakdance on stilts and then some,reloaded........ and love island.
     
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  5. thenorthern

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    The current duty rate for importing trains to the EU is 1.7% which is not a lot I know, I would imagine though for future contracts in train building a factor in awarding the contract will be where the trains are built as at the moment its not an option for Westminster.
     
  6. hooverboy

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    that's not really the point.

    if you factor in all the spin-offs from having manufacturing in house, yes components play a fair part, but also things like cafe's, food establishments, transport to/from work.....then all the stuff not being done in the country is affecting their businesses too.


    so that's quite a few thousand people spending quite a few thousand pounds per day which is not now being spent in the domestic economy.(its been transferred to somebody else's)

    that's aside from foreign ownership where the profits are invariably declared on foreign exchanges and therefore not subject to our treasury VAT rates either.

    you want to get really deep on it, then lets throw geopolitics into the mix as well,and how that could potentially cripple supply chains.
    told you I was in telecoms networks...the huawei debacle affects us quite a lot...in asia
     
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  7. thenorthern

    thenorthern Established Member

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    Other than the locomotives used for goods traffic that have been built in the United States and Canada has there been any other trains built outside the EEA and Switzerland?

    I know the first batch of Class 56s were built by Electroputere in Romania when it was behind the iron curtain.

    With all the free trade deals that Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson were talking about I wonder if we will get more for other countries outside the EEA and Switzerland somehow I doubt it.
     
  8. JamesT

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    The 395s and the first few 385s and 800s were built in Hitachi’s factory in Japan.
     
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    I don't have any figures to back it up, but I would be very surprised if China is not now by far the biggest train manufacturing country,
     
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    Freedom from the stricter EU state aid rules would make it easier to excuse/harder to not buy from British factories.
    Obviously this is only a good thing if there remains a competitive selection of factories to keep them innovating and efficient......
     
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    The old Loco works at Horwich will shortly completely disappear under appx 1500 new homes.
    I'm old a lot of chemicals used in those works are still underground....
     
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    No Brexit will not revitalise our train building industry, that had been in decline since Thatcher, the current lot of tory muppets will ensure any lucrative train building contracts are foisted off to US or Chinese firms. We may get a few crumbs with some extra train assembly plants, but the days off British companies building British trains are long over.
     
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    The problem isn't EU rules, but Bombardier make dodgy trains with dodgy software, hence the Aventras being over a year late.
    Hitachi's trains haven't been hugely impressive either.
     

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