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Could East-West Rail make better progress by consulting less?

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Dunnyrail

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I currently live in Cambridge. Before that, I lived in Oxford, and before *that*, I also lived in Cambridge. I've worked for neither university (though my partner worked for both of them, which is why we moved) - I work in the high tech sector. The journey between the two cities is not much fun by any mode of transport: it's a 2 hour journey by road (sometimes a bit quicker if the motorways are quiet). I did it regularly by train for a while, usually on Friday and Sunday evenings. It takes a smidge under 3 hours as planned by the journey planner - sometimes if you're lucky with the tube connection you can do it in two-and-a-half. The frustating thing is that the direct journey is only 85 miles: a decent rail service could do it in a bit over an hour. The journey via London is frustrating - the trains are usually busy and the journey is in three sections so it's not like 2 hours on an intercity train where you can get some work done - you're sat down for 40-50 mins on the Cambridge leg; have a 20 minute tube ride and 30 minutes of waiting around at Paddington; then sat down again (hopefully) on the Oxford train.

Don't even start me on the X5: you can't really work on it without getting seasick. It is better than it used to be because both the roads and the coaches have got better, but I wouldn't take it again unless price was the most important factor.

Had EWR been running, we probably wouldn't have moved to Oxford when my partner got the job offer - it would have been reasonable to commute. Even now, we rarely go to Oxford to visit friends because the journey's unpleasant. A direct rail service makes it an attractive day trip (for either work or pleasure), and it also makes Milton Keynes even more attractive as a place where you can commute to Oxford, Cambridge, London or Birmingham all in less than an hour.

But the big benefit is all the other connections. In one of the various EWR studies I was quite surprised that Cambridge-Northampton was considered an important route in terms of passenger demand. That's an extremely tedious journey right now by rail, and one that would be very quickly improved with a connection at Bletchley. Likewise it would be great to have better connections to cities served by the WCML and MML, rather than going into London and out again. Giving the East Anglian towns and cities a better connection to the west will help too - at the moment you've got a choice of a long detour via London or a scenic tour of Cambridgeshire before you can get to the rest of England.
I think you have summed up the need for the link in a succinct way and summarised the existing pathetic facilities perfectly.

If only EW Co. could stop endless consulting exercises and get the shovels in the ground we could have Ox-Cam all built by around 2026-7 with no problems and electrified as well. Some hopes.
 
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If only EW Co. could stop endless consulting excersizes and get the shovels in the ground we could have Ox-Cam all built by around 2026-7 with no problems and electrified as well. Some hopes.
They haven't done endless consulting exercises, they've conducted each stage according to current national policy for major infrastructure. Ox-Bicester and Bletchley-Bedford are operational, Bicester-Bletchley currently has digger buckets in the ground. Bedford-Cambridge has had the final corridor announced (Bedford Midland-Cambourne-Cambridge South) and is now (or shortly will be) in the detailed design stage.

It's not unreasonable when building a brand new line to take time in reaching the final decision on the detailed route. Once you've built the line, the chances are that's the alignment you're going to have to live with for at least 50 years. Not to mention the irreversible damage to the landscape and wildlife as soon as the first shovel goes in. I'm sure if somebody was proposing building a brand new mixed-traffic heavy rail line through your area, you'd want your say on it.
 

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If only EW Co. could stop endless consulting excersizes and get the shovels in the ground we could have Ox-Cam all built by around 2026-7 with no problems and electrified as well.

Are you suggesting that EWR shouldn’t consult on the route of Bedford - Cambridge? Ie break the law? And just turn up with the diggers?
 

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Are you suggesting that EWR shouldn’t consult on the route of Bedford - Cambridge? Ie break the law? And just turn up with the diggers?
Not consulting , will lead to a Judicial Review , and thousands of objections .
We never want to go thorough the Oxford Bicester performance again , the enquiry cost 13£ m to appease wealthy homeowners , and Road Lobbyists seeking to stamp out new railways .
At lot was learnt !
It was very good for Lawyers.
 

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Not consulting , will lead to a Judicial Review , and thousands of objections .
We never want to go thorough the Oxford Bicester performance again , the enquiry cost 13£ m to appease wealthy homeowners , and Road Lobbyists seeking to stamp out new railways .
At lot was learnt !
It was very good for Lawyers.

Not consulting would lead to the police rocking up and arresting the first EWR worker who started to fence off the line of route on someone else’s land.
 

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Not consulting would lead to the police rocking up and arresting the first EWR worker who started to fence off the line of route on someone else’s land.
Sure, but other than that, it's a brilliant idea.....
 

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They haven't done endless consulting exercises, they've conducted each stage according to current national policy for major infrastructure. Ox-Bicester and Bletchley-Bedford are operational, Bicester-Bletchley currently has digger buckets in the ground. Bedford-Cambridge has had the final corridor announced (Bedford Midland-Cambourne-Cambridge South) and is now (or shortly will be) in the detailed design stage.

It's not unreasonable when building a brand new line to take time in reaching the final decision on the detailed route. Once you've built the line, the chances are that's the alignment you're going to have to live with for at least 50 years. Not to mention the irreversible damage to the landscape and wildlife as soon as the first shovel goes in. I'm sure if somebody was proposing building a brand new mixed-traffic heavy rail line through your area, you'd want your say on it.
Are you suggesting that EWR shouldn’t consult on the route of Bedford - Cambridge? Ie break the law? And just turn up with the diggers?
No it is the system that takes endless consulting and legal fees, yes my mistake for not stating it as I see it. HS2 and all new railway builds will be the same, yes I agree that a level of consultation is required but the extent and costs these days is removing money from a project that may get built but for judicious use of consulting and legal exorbitant costs.
 

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No it is the system that takes endless consulting and legal fees, yes my mistake for not stating it as I see it. HS2 and all new railway builds will be the same, yes I agree that a level of consultation is required but the extent and costs these days is removing money from a project that may get built but for judicious use of consulting and legal exorbitant costs.

Can you give any specific examples of excessive consultation? Ie where the consultation wasn’t worthwhile ?
 
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