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CP - Comboios de Portugal nearing Rolling Stock colapse

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After 20 years of straight cuts and noninvestment of the Portuguese national railways by the public government, the services started to colapse completely this year, with days where service was impossible in certain lines, and rolling stock keeps pilling up at the workshops without enough workforce to take care of the task.

Rolling stock shortage forces widespread train cancellations in Portugal

PORTUGUESE Trains (CP) has publicly announced that a lack of serviceable rolling stock will force it to cut a number of services, starting in August. CP’s rolling stock problems come at a time when the Portuguese government is trying to revive rail transport.


CP’s president, Mr Carlos Nogueira, told the Portuguese parliament’s transport committee earlier this month that the company has been forced to replace some services on its less-busy lines with buses, and to downgrade the rolling stock used on other routes, with widespread cancellations and delays as a result.


A number of inter-city services have been operating with regional rolling stock while locomotive-hauled inter-city trains have sometimes replaced CP’s Pendolinos on its flagship Lisbon - Porto Alfa Pendular service. Service cuts are now expected to affect mainly peripheral routes like the west, Douro, Alentejo and Algarve lines in order to keep the Lisbon - Porto service afloat.

With an average fleet age of 40 years and an increasing number of trains in storage due to perennial delays at under-staffed maintenance depots, the service cuts were less of a surprise for the industry as contracts both to reinforce CP’s Emef maintenance subsidiary and to replace some of its oldest trains have been delayed.

In the short term, Nogueria says CP plans to rent additional trains from Renfe, Spain, thus adding to the 20-strong DMU fleet already in use in Portugal, but he says these trains will not come overnight as some of them will require authorisation to operate in Portugal which could take some time to obtain.

The Portuguese railway industry is also considering the possibility of solving some of the maintenance backlog by launching international maintenance tenders. However, a permanent solution will require the acquisition of new trains, a long-term demand from CP, which it says the government has been deferring.

Portugal’s planning and infrastructure minister, Mr Pedro Marques, says that the FY2018 budget does provide funds for acquiring dual-gauge, bi-mode trains capable not only of reinforcing the meagre CP fleet but also operating on joint CP and Renfe services. The process, which is deemed “difficult” by the minister, will be launched this year with the objective of introducing the trains when all the works under Infrastructure Portugal’s (IP) Ferrovia 2020 investment plan have been completed. This includes electrification and improvements to the existing Iberian rail connections mainly for freight but also for passenger services connecting both Porto with Vigo (Galicia) and Lisbon with Madrid.

Source: https://m.railjournal.com/index.php...in-cancellations-in-portugal.html?channel=529
 
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Did Portugal not have Bud railcars?

SOREFAME, the main (only?) builder of railway rolling stock in Portugal were/are licensees of the American Budd Company patents, and much/most/all of their output - diesel/electric railcars/multiple units and loco hauled coaches (including many of what were otherwise French Corail design) - had Budd style stainless steel bodies. But otherwise I believe of local/European design, rather than American.
 

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I wonder how far the axels would stand out.
But I am sure CAF could suppy trains in a short time. I guess electrification plans mean they would wait to buy EMUs.
 

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perhaps they'd like some Pacers?

We had a Pacer like DMU. Unfortunately they had a pesky habit of derailing...


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Blimey that’s not good.
Are there any 1900s still working passenger services anywhere in Portugal Giugiaro?

No. Currently they only serve cargo services for Medway. The only diesel loco hauled passenger service in Portugal currently is the "Miradouro" with a CP 1400 English Electric Type 1.
All other services have been replaced with air conditioned DMU's, though the reliability of these has been the early sign of the current colapse we're witnessing now...

These are far too sophisticated, they have bogies! I believe they're narrow gauge trains? Have all these lines been closed down now? (I travelled on some near Porto and Braga 10+ years ago)

Yes, narrow gauge, adapted from Đuro Đaković chassis and a bus body built by CAMO and powered by a Volvo engine.

The only narrow gauge line currently being operated is the Vouga line, between Espinho and Oliveira de Azeméis, and between Aveiro and Sernada do Vouga. (Yes, the bit between Oliveira and Sernada is planned to be dismantled)
How is it doing? Since it also depends of DMU's, and being a narrow gauge, it actually runs "nicely awful". (does this even exist in English?)

Also, CP did bring those Pacers to the Vouga line, but, lo and behold, the bleeders derailed during trials! :lol:
 

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As there seems to be some local knowledge here I have a few questions! My wife & I are staying in Porto for the first two weeks in September and amongst other things I would like to explore the Vouga line. In the CP timetable it appears that the trains do not reach the mainline stations at Espinho and Aveiro. My question is how easy is it to reach the Vouga line stations at these two locations from the main line station? Also plan to try the Vouga line historic train which does appear to reach Aveiro "main line"? Are the Douro Valley trains badly affected by these rolling stock shortages?

Any help welcomed

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Martin, it would be better to run on the historical train from the Vouga Line. The train departs from Aveiro, which has the narrow gauge station under the same roof of the broad gauge station. The Macinhata do Vouga railway museum is open for free for people taking that train, and there's a 1 hour stop for people to go visit the city of Águeda on the way back. Connections are guaranteed by commuter service from Oporto, and you can buy a discounted package that includes both Historic Train and connecting services.

Visiting the Douro (only up to Régua) can be made on the Miradouro, which has at least 3 spare CP 1400's in case something goes wrong. But since you have about 8 hours from arrival to departure from Régua, you'd better take the steam train to Tua. Same discounted packages apply, just ask to pair the Miradouro to the Douro steam train on the Porto ticket office.

From 5 August onwards there'll be cuts in service to reduce the strain on the rolling stock on all railway lines and services. One huge hit is that there are no returning trains from Pocinho past 12AM, meaning that it's impossible to go back to Porto in the afternoon. So I'd ask you to avoid getting any further than Régua on normal services.
Algarve, Oeste and Alentejo (to Beja) are particularly affected by these rearrangements, and I still haven't checked what other major changes will be made that may leave any distracted tourist stranded with no way to return home by the end of the day.
 

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This my photo of one of the narrow gauge units at Livracao, waiting to leave for Amarante on 11th September 2008.
 

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Hi Giugiaro - many thanks for your comments which are most helpful. I will certainly book the Vouga historical train but would also like to try the service trains from Aveiro and Espinho. Is it easy to transit between the "main line" and Vouga line stations? Regards, Martin
 

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That's brilliant - many thanks. Is it much the same distance at the Aveiro end?
 

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Like I said, same roof in Aveiro. They're technically treated as different stations because... well, each side is technologically separated by years.

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Since we are at it, a group of Communist, Socialist and Democrat (Right Wing) politicians were going to take the train today from Caldas da Rainha to Lisbon for a public manifestation against the horrible conditions and planned reduction in service for the Oeste Line.

Guess what happened? :lol:
 

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Since we are at it, a group of Communist, Socialist and Democrat (Right Wing) politicians were going to take the train today from Caldas da Rainha to Lisbon for a public manifestation against the horrible conditions and planned reduction in service for the Oeste Line.

Guess what happened? :lol:
Cancelation or break down?
 

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Like I said, same roof in Aveiro. They're technically treated as different stations because... well, each side is technologically separated by years.

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Thank you very much - I understand!! Regards, Martin
 
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Oh dear..! That doesn't sound good at all...

Still sounds like an old stock bashers delight. Not been out there since I was a kid on holiday with my fams in the Algarve for Y2K.. Never had the pleasure of seeing their railway then...

Are there any Corails still in service? I read on Wikipedia that they had some built by Alstom for CP in the 80's.
 
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Class 350: The class 0350 are a type of single carriage diesel railcar used by CP. They were built by Allan in Rotterdam, Netherlands in 1954-55 as class 0300. In 2000 they were extensively modernised and reclassfied as class 0350. It gets so worse! The dieseltrains in the Netherlands are from 2006 (GTW: Arriva), but are almost the same across the country. Lint trains are from 2001.
 

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This is maybe a shot in the dark, but i believe that the Portugal railway system is mainly first Lisboa to Porto and than to Faro.

It's what we call the "Eixo Braga Faro" (Braga to Faro Mainline) and at the moment it is the only proper pathway to cross the country. If anything goes wrong with that line (like in here: www.tvi24.iol.pt/videos/sociedade/linha-do-norte-vagao-descarrilou-num-troco-em-remodelacao/5a8f18a00cf248a37233741c) then you can expect a complete lockdown of most traffic in the country, including international services.

Kinda like this: Imagine the ECML as the only main line between London and Glasgow, and every single other line and branch fed from this line. Now derail a train right at the most critical spot.
Congratulations, you've just blocked the whole country!!!

One class is the diesel 450; built in 1965/66 and refurbished in 1999. So at least 50 years old.

Which runs on the Oeste, Alentejo and Algarve lines. Coincidentally the three worst off in the current situation.

Are there any Corails still in service?

Yep, those are our InterCity cars, prepared for 125mph, alongside Sorefame cars from the 60's.
Yes, those also run at 125mph. And yes, those are the newest cars we have.

Class 350: The class 0350 are a type of single carriage diesel railcar used by CP. They were built by Allan in Rotterdam, Netherlands in 1954-55 as class 0300. In 2000 they were extensively modernised and reclassfied as class 0350.

Currently only one runs daily to Badajoz, Spain, through Elvas. This after the line had been closed for a couple of years. https://www.cp.pt/StaticFiles/horarios/regional/comboios-regionais-linha-leste-badajoz.pdf
Those units are plagued with problems, the worst being their lack of tolerance to extreme heat, something that could have been fixed during refurbishment, but was actually made even worse!
Still, given that the Winter is having holidays in Portugal this year, I guess they're having an easier job today.
 

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Sorry but we have been forced to cancel this tour.

In recent months, C.P. (Portuguese Railways) have been suffering from a severe lack of availability of diesel multiple units, resulting in frequent cancellations of trains on certain lines, most notably the West Line, and an anticipated reduction in service when new timetables are issued in August. This has resulted in the Schindler carriages, which we planned to charter, being pressed into regular use on service trains on the Douro and Minho Lines.

A further issue is that of passenger diesel locomotives. C.P. are working with the bare minimum number, and following the privatisation of the freight sector, freight locomotives are no longer available to haul passenger trains. Loco 1455 was expected to return to service but is still undergoing an overhaul. Much of this is down to the maintenance company being unable to keep up with repairs as, along with other state-owned companies in Portugal, they are currently prevented by the government from taking on new employees, a policy that was introduced several years ago in response to the financial crisis.

As there is no indication that this policy will change in the coming months, and C.P. are not in a position to guarantee availability of stock, we cannot be sure that we will be able to run this trip using the Schindler carriages, and so we have taken the decision to cancel the tour and instead replace it with a culture-by-rail alternative using service trains.

Source: http://www.ptg.co.uk/rail-holiday-portugal-railtour-2
 

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CP's Administrative Council is abandoning the office in the middle of a railway crisis
Carlos Gomes Nogueira is leaving the Portuguese national railway company, CP, after a year and a month in office. And during a time were the company is facing a difficult situation due to missing trains and personnel.
CP's Administrative Council, composed by Carlos Nogueira, Abrantes Machado and Ana Malhó, is leaving office and the government is already looking for a new team.

Having contacted the company, the official source only answered that "they have no information on the matter" and the Ministry of Planning and Infrastructures hasn't yet answered Público's questions regarding the issue and how it's being dealt with.

Carlos Nogueira started office in CP in July 1, 2017, right at the inauguration of the Vouga Historic Train, and at the time said that his priorities was creating a strategic plan for the company and buy new rolling stock.

In regards to his position concerning the strategy of his predecessor, Manuel Queiró, the new public railway company's president assured that his management wouldn't be opposite to that of the former president, since "we shouldn't change what is already right".

The consensus between the two strategies was the reality that CP needed new and more trains. In particular two types: long haul stock to keep the company competitive when facing the liberalization of the passenger railway transport in the EU, bound for 2019/2020, and medium haul stock to replace the ageing DMU's.

But, during the course of a year, nothing happened, and CP's situation just got worse with the inoperability of EMEF (the in-house maintenance company), uncapable to keep and maintain the company's fleet given the reluctance of the successive state governments to allow for the employment of missing and additional workers.

The first warning signs came even during Manuel Queirós management. Since January 2017 that the Oeste line suffered disruptions almost in a daily basis. Not long after this symptom spread to Alentejo and Algarve.

Even though there were problems at the time, the railway operation during summer time in 2017 went without major constraints, though the company was seeing itself in a situation were it couldn't handle an ever increasing demand. It stopped answering to charter requests (due to missing stock) and even refused selling group discount tickets in the Oeste line given how unpredictable the service was becoming.

The issues plaguing EMEF later impacted the long haul services (InterCity and Alfa). First degrading the comfort level of the service, with broken toilets, jammed doors and failing air-con and lamps.

The reason: trains were running short, and to cut on the downtime the maintenance procedures started focusing only on security and, to a certain degree, reliability. Everything else was left to stress for more time before eventual replacement.

But even this efforts weren't able to keep the service to suffer disruptions. For a few months the InterCity bound for Évora started being replaced by UTE's from regional services. (TL note: short to medium haul EMU's)

This same low standard stock also started replacing both InterCity and Alfa trains between Lisbon and Guarda, and the final stretch between Porto and Braga.

During this Spring, CP was already approaching the rupture point, with passengers left lost in stations from the Oeste, Alentejo and Algarve lines, waiting for trains that never arrived, due to successive disruptions. Same started impacting commuter services in the capital of the country, Lisbon.

Still, many were the times that both the President of CP and the Minister for Planning and Infrastructures announced the purchase of new trains, without such ever becoming a Specification Book and subsequent Public Tender.

After several contacts by Público, neither the company nor the government ever given details about what and how many trains were going to be bought. The former administration proposed, in a report called "CP XXI", to the government, in March 2017, 35 new high tech trains, of which 10 were for long haul and the remaining for medium haul. (TL note: capable of running in different gauges, electric currents and either electrified and non-electrified lines)

But recently it was investigated that the government is disregarding the long haul service, leaving the most lucrative component of the company helpless against future competition (and opening the door for its privatisation, as admitted by both conservative and right wings of the Portuguese politics).

Summer time without trains

The resignation of the current CP's administration council happens at a moment where the company was forced to cut services in all lines, particularly Cascais, Sintra, Algarve and Oeste, due to lack of active rolling stock.

The goal was to avoid disruptions, adjusting the timetable to the available fleet, improving the reliability of the service. But problems started to happen due to gross errors, where connecting services ended up mismatched, arriving minutes after the other train had already departed.

For example, the 6:16 train in Lagos should arrive in Faro at 7:59, 11 minutes after the connecting service to Vila Real de Santo António had already departed. The next service only departing 58 minutes later.

In the Oeste Line, the company closed the service that has had the biggest demand in recent years: the trains that went from Caldas da Rainha to Coimbra. To make the same journey, one has to catch two different trains. For those bound to Figueira da Foz, it's now three in total, one of them only running for just 3 quilometres (TL note: about 1.8 miles).

The government had already announced that these services would be fully reestablished in September. (TL note: Given how the gov is pretty much unaware of the harsh reality that CP is going through, I doubt that these services will ever be fully reestablished next month).

The government also announced the employment of 102 workers to EMEF, though the impact on the recovery of the whole fleet, specially of the completely broken units, should only be felt after the end of 2018. (TL note: It has been denounced as well that 62 of those 102 workers are already employees of EMEF, but with precarious contracts, another scandal that has plagued the country since the crisis of 2011, and which the government has been using as a false employment scheme, since precarious employees weren't even considered as employees of their respective companies, creating the false impression that both public and private companies are increasing their workforce)

Government and CP have also announced that they'll be renting trains to Spain while the new trains aren't built, but even this comes pretty late given that the rented trains could only be allowed to run services after the end of 2018. Until then, CP has to live with few, very old trains, with the aggravating factor that some of these fleets are approaching the mid-life mileage limit, rendering these fleets unusable until a lengthy, very expensive refurbishment maintenance is applied. (TL note: something that needs to be allowed by the government. And given how they are reluctant to do whatever is needed in time... )

Source: https://www.publico.pt/2018/08/07/economia/noticia/administracao-da-cp-esta-de-saida-1840296
Translation: Tiago Miranda
 
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