DarloRich
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Is the WACA not being used for test cricket anymore? Drop in pitches? I hope they can replicate the standard of track at the WACA. Fast, bouncy and terrible for England. Hang on.............
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My understanding is that the WACA is being consigned to the dustbin of history. At least as far as big name internationals and Big Bash goes it'll still have second string internationals and Sheffield Shield matches though.
DarloRich
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well thats good in a way as we have hardly ever won there but it is an historic Aussie test venue.
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Isn't the WACA the world's most isolated Test match ground - in so far as it's closest would be thousands of KM away?
The WACA is a great ground to watch on TV, but it's a very different story for the people who actually go to matches there. It's a neglected dump, the view of the play is pretty poor if you aren't a member, and it's in a very awkward location for transport. I've been there once, and it's not an experience I'm considering repeating.
Making cricket accessible to as many people as possible (using big venues so tickets are affordable for ordinary people, keeping it on free to air TV) is how Cricket Australia has managed to keep cricket as Australia's national sport. The WACA presents a problem in this respect, because when England tour there aren't many tickets left for ordinary people once you subtract the members reserve and the priority access given to groups from England.
With the lack of opportunity for the WACA to be upgraded, sharing matches between the historic ground and the new stadium is probably the best strategy to keep some of the history active while also keeping the game moving forward.
Perth Stadium will use third-generation drop in pitches like Adelaide Oval does. These pitches can be made to replicate any type of traditional pitch, which for Tests and Sheffield Shield matches at Adelaide Oval typically means a copy of the traditional Les Burdett style Adelaide Oval pitch designed to get a result late in the match. All four Tests held so far have been great matches, including one absolute classic against India where all results were still possible going into the final session of the match.
Limited overs matches at Adelaide Oval typically get different trays dropped in with sporting pitches designed to give the bowlers a chance over one day, something which was never seen there when they had a traditional permanent square. The five ODIs on drop-in pitches so far have had an average of eight wickets per innings, an average winning team score of 249.8 and a highest team score of 300 - all figures which are quite outstanding considering that four of those five ODIs were during the 2015 World Cup which was played under the previous set of fielding rules that encouraged power hitting contests.
Perth Stadium will be over a thousand times closer than Adelaide Oval at about 1,400m from the WACA, surely the closest pair of international cricket venues in the world. But if you include WSC SuperTests, the closest venue to the WACA was even nearer than that, at the Gloucester Park trotting track across the street.
I assume that the title of most distant Test ground will probably then fall to another ground in a city at the end of a transcontinental railway - Marrara Oval in Darwin.
Making cricket accessible to as many people as possible (using big venues so tickets are affordable for ordinary people, keeping it on free to air TV) is how Cricket Australia has managed to keep cricket as Australia's national sport. The WACA presents a problem in this respect, because when England tour there aren't many tickets left for ordinary people once you subtract the members reserve and the priority access given to groups from England.
With the lack of opportunity for the WACA to be upgraded, sharing matches between the historic ground and the new stadium is probably the best strategy to keep some of the history active while also keeping the game moving forward.
The current plan is that the WACA will still host international cricket against teams which draw smaller crowds, with only the big ones (internationals against England and India, plus the BBL) going to Perth Stadium.
Perth Stadium will use third-generation drop in pitches like Adelaide Oval does. These pitches can be made to replicate any type of traditional pitch, which for Tests and Sheffield Shield matches at Adelaide Oval typically means a copy of the traditional Les Burdett style Adelaide Oval pitch designed to get a result late in the match. All four Tests held so far have been great matches, including one absolute classic against India where all results were still possible going into the final session of the match.
Limited overs matches at Adelaide Oval typically get different trays dropped in with sporting pitches designed to give the bowlers a chance over one day, something which was never seen there when they had a traditional permanent square. The five ODIs on drop-in pitches so far have had an average of eight wickets per innings, an average winning team score of 249.8 and a highest team score of 300 - all figures which are quite outstanding considering that four of those five ODIs were during the 2015 World Cup which was played under the previous set of fielding rules that encouraged power hitting contests.
Yes, Adelaide Oval is the closest Test venue to the WACA at 2,128km away.
Perth Stadium will be over a thousand times closer than Adelaide Oval at about 1,400m from the WACA, surely the closest pair of international cricket venues in the world. But if you include WSC SuperTests, the closest venue to the WACA was even nearer than that, at the Gloucester Park trotting track across the street.
I assume that the title of most distant Test ground will probably then fall to another ground in a city at the end of a transcontinental railway - Marrara Oval in Darwin.
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Xenophon PCDGS
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It's good to see DownSouth back on this Cricket thread once again after quite a long absence....
Pakenhamtrain
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The WACA really needed to go though an Adelaide oval rebuild to keep it viable of the higher drawing games. Having been to the Adelaide oval for a footy game it was a fantastic.
Given Subiaco oval is in a similar poor state. It made sense to merge the footy and cricket to one place.
Given Subiaco oval is in a similar poor state. It made sense to merge the footy and cricket to one place.
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Pity about the WACA, I have vague memories of grainy black-and-white images on BBC's highlights show of that Lillian Thomson turning England over, - and re-arranging Bumble's off and leg.
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Day 1 of the first Day/Night test at the GABBA is over and the day belongs to Australia. Winning the toss they decided to bat first.
Smith lead the way with an unbeaten* 110.
*When I say unbeaten he was dropped last ball before the dinner break. Then he slightly edged a ball and the Pakistan slips cordon failed to appeal for it when Smith was on 97.
Mohammad Amir had a bit of a scare digging his knee into the grass. It looked a bad injury and required the medical cart to get him off. It wasn't as bad as thought and within an hour he was back bowling.
Wahab Riaz will be wanting to watch where he plants his size 12s. He was nearly warned for walking on the pitch.
STUMPS:
AUS: 3/288
Smith 110*
Handscomb 64*
Mohammad Amir 1/40 off 18
Smith lead the way with an unbeaten* 110.
*When I say unbeaten he was dropped last ball before the dinner break. Then he slightly edged a ball and the Pakistan slips cordon failed to appeal for it when Smith was on 97.
Mohammad Amir had a bit of a scare digging his knee into the grass. It looked a bad injury and required the medical cart to get him off. It wasn't as bad as thought and within an hour he was back bowling.
Wahab Riaz will be wanting to watch where he plants his size 12s. He was nearly warned for walking on the pitch.
STUMPS:
AUS: 3/288
Smith 110*
Handscomb 64*
Mohammad Amir 1/40 off 18
DarloRich
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I am surprised Aussie didn't keep the WACA for Ashes tests. In 13 tests England have won once and drawn thrice.
Such a game is normally this time of year and normally delivers an England pre Christmas stuffing.
Pakenhamtrain
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Day 2 over and done.
Australia well on top.
Australia were bowled out for 429. Smith made 130, Handscomb 105. Wahab Riaz the pick of the bowlers with 4/89.
Pakistan went into bat and it's been carnage.
Stumps 8/97.
Sarfraz Ahmed 31*
Hazelwood: 3/19. Starc: 3/45. Bird: 2/7
Australia well on top.
Australia were bowled out for 429. Smith made 130, Handscomb 105. Wahab Riaz the pick of the bowlers with 4/89.
Pakistan went into bat and it's been carnage.
Stumps 8/97.
Sarfraz Ahmed 31*
Hazelwood: 3/19. Starc: 3/45. Bird: 2/7
Xenophon PCDGS
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Day 1 of the Test Match saw failures by Cook (10) and Jennings (1) reduce England to 21-2, but three good knocks by Moeen (120 not out), Root (88) and Bairstow (49) saw England to 284-4 at close of play.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Now in the second period of Day 2 and England have lost the three wickets so far today of Moeen (146), Stokes (6) and Buttler (5) in moving on to 369-7.
Pakenhamtrain
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Day 3 of the GABBA test is over.
Australia bowled out Pakistan out for 142. Australia decided to get thier skates on and had a relatively quick time picked up 5/202 before declaring in the dinner interval.
STUMPS:
PAK 2/70
Ali: 41*
Khan 0*
Starc: 1/28 Lyon: 1/13
Australia bowled out Pakistan out for 142. Australia decided to get thier skates on and had a relatively quick time picked up 5/202 before declaring in the dinner interval.
STUMPS:
PAK 2/70
Ali: 41*
Khan 0*
Starc: 1/28 Lyon: 1/13
Xenophon PCDGS
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Hazlewood returned a remarkably tight bowling return when the Pakistan second innings got underway with figures of 11-8-5-0.
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It is now close of play on day 3 of the India v England Test Match and India have moved on to 391-4, with Rahul falling one run short of a double hundred and Nair still there on 71 not out.
No England bowler has claimed more than a single wicket in the Indian innings.
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Pakenhamtrain
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All over at the GABBA. Australia taking out the game by 39 runs. Pakistan put up one hell of a fight.
PAK: 450
Asad Shafiq top scoring with a very gutsy 137 off 207 balls.
Starc the pick of the bowlers with 4/119
I'm still at a loss as to why the umpires last night decided to go for an extra half an hour. Australia at that stage only had taken 5 wickets for a day and didn't look remotely likely to take one.
Now we move on to the BBL and the traditional Boxing Day test.
PAK: 450
Asad Shafiq top scoring with a very gutsy 137 off 207 balls.
Starc the pick of the bowlers with 4/119
I'm still at a loss as to why the umpires last night decided to go for an extra half an hour. Australia at that stage only had taken 5 wickets for a day and didn't look remotely likely to take one.
Now we move on to the BBL and the traditional Boxing Day test.
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Xenophon PCDGS
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Tea interval now on day 4 of the Test Match, with India moving onwards at 582-5. Nair (196 not out) and Ashwin (54 not out) building a useful stand.
Still no England bowler with more than one wicket and three of them have gone for 100+.
Still no England bowler with more than one wicket and three of them have gone for 100+.
DarloRich
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just come home now. Poor tour all round.
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Xenophon PCDGS
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India certainly "made hay in the sunshine" after the tea interval and when the declaration came when they had reached their highest-ever test of 759-7, Nair had reached his triple-century (303 not out, with 4 x 6 and 32 x 4), ably aided and abetted by Ashwin (67) and Jajeda (51).
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Only one run short of the highest 4th innings test score, ignoring that Timeless Test in 1939.
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Highest ever, or highest against England?
Xenophon PCDGS
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It was their highest ever Test Match score, beating the 726-9 declared that they made against Sri Lanka in Mumbai in 2009.
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It is just over the lunch interval on the final day of the Test Match and Cook has just been dismissed for 49.
England currently 103-1, still 179 short of a level score.
England currently 103-1, still 179 short of a level score.
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With apologies to Kenneth Wolstenholme: "Some people are on the pitch, they think it's (nearly) all over ... "
England 193 for 6 (Jennings 54, Cook 49, Ali 44, Stokes 23), still 89 runs short of making India bat again, and 20 overs to go.
England 193 for 6 (Jennings 54, Cook 49, Ali 44, Stokes 23), still 89 runs short of making India bat again, and 20 overs to go.
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" .... it is now": England 207 all out, losing by an innings and 75 runs.
After being 103 - 0, they lost all ten wickets for 104 runs.
After being 103 - 0, they lost all ten wickets for 104 runs.
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Game 1 of the BBL has been run and won with the opening game the "Sydney Smash" between the Thunder and the 6ers.
6ers won the toss and fielded first. The Thunder looked like they were off to a flyer but lost 5/15 in the middle overs Gibson steadied the ship with a well run 53. The 6ers just did it way too easily only losing 1 wicket.
THU: 8/159 off 20
Gibson 53
Mennie 2/16
SIX: 1/160 off 18 overs.
Henriques 76*
Russell 1/27.
Game 2 is tommrow night the the Strikers taking on the Heat at the Adelaide oval.
6ers won the toss and fielded first. The Thunder looked like they were off to a flyer but lost 5/15 in the middle overs Gibson steadied the ship with a well run 53. The 6ers just did it way too easily only losing 1 wicket.
THU: 8/159 off 20
Gibson 53
Mennie 2/16
SIX: 1/160 off 18 overs.
Henriques 76*
Russell 1/27.
Game 2 is tommrow night the the Strikers taking on the Heat at the Adelaide oval.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Today's tormenter in chief was Jajeda who returned the excellent bowling return of 25-5-48-7.
Shame that Kent's Sam Billings didn't get a bat.
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Game 2 of the BBL is over with the Adelaide Strikers playing the Brisbane Heat.
Strikers won the toss and bowled first.
The Heat got into the swing of things early with McCullum sending them into the crowd. End of the 20 they set a massive total of 206. The Strikers came out with intent and looked to have it in the bag mid way through the innings but the Heat got thier bowling sorted and held off the Strikers and won by 10 runs.
HEA: 5/206 off 20 overs.
Ross 64, Peirson 46, McCullum 42.
Pollard 2/27, Jordan 2/29
STR: 6/196 off 20 overs.
Dunk 85, Weatherald 52, Hodge 27*
Steketee 3/32, Cutting 2/46.
Tommrow night game 3 comes from Eithad Stadium with the Melbourne Renegades taking on the Thunder. With no rain forecast the roof should be open.
Strikers won the toss and bowled first.
The Heat got into the swing of things early with McCullum sending them into the crowd. End of the 20 they set a massive total of 206. The Strikers came out with intent and looked to have it in the bag mid way through the innings but the Heat got thier bowling sorted and held off the Strikers and won by 10 runs.
HEA: 5/206 off 20 overs.
Ross 64, Peirson 46, McCullum 42.
Pollard 2/27, Jordan 2/29
STR: 6/196 off 20 overs.
Dunk 85, Weatherald 52, Hodge 27*
Steketee 3/32, Cutting 2/46.
Tommrow night game 3 comes from Eithad Stadium with the Melbourne Renegades taking on the Thunder. With no rain forecast the roof should be open.