Cricket

[HST43257]

Although I'm not a Surrey supporter, and with the qualification you make about a good run, I'd see the sense in that too. My team is the struggling Kent, which I honestly believe has the weakest squad in the nearly seventy years I've been following them.

Kent have the issue of having really inconsistent players. Crawley embodies this, and even DBD and Leaning can’t quite escape it. No reliable bowlers as well, with the overseas guys not firing and some pretty poor domestic players

Yorkshire (my county) have a really good lineup and seem to do nothing with it. When the Englanders are back, the batting lineup is Lyth, Bean, Masood, Root, Brook, Hill, Bairstow - so past, present and future England all over. Even when the internationals aren’t here, there’s a really good young group coming through, like Wharton, Luxton and Revis. Our main issue is the inability to consistently take 20 wickets. Ben Coad reliably sends down 74mph wobblers and takes 2-40, so your average county attack leader. But Fisher, Thompson, Milnes and Edwards all hover around 81mph but don’t have enough qualities to make a difference and theres too much of it. We’ve struggled without high pace options across formats, so I hope that’s on the wishlist (overseas or domestic) next year. Bess and Moriarty (plus Rashid and Chohan in T20) cover the spin well and constantly fight for the first team spot, which is good to see, but Bess is out of contract at the end of this season I think so not sure what’s to come.

 

[Busaholic]

Kent have the issue of having really inconsistent players. Crawley embodies this, and even DBD and Leaning can’t quite escape it. No reliable bowlers as well, with the overseas guys not firing and some pretty poor domestic players

Yorkshire (my county) have a really good lineup and seem to do nothing with it. When the Englanders are back, the batting lineup is Lyth, Bean, Masood, Root, Brook, Hill, Bairstow - so past, present and future England all over. Even when the internationals aren’t here, there’s a really good young group coming through, like Wharton, Luxton and Revis. Our main issue is the inability to consistently take 20 wickets. Ben Coad reliably sends down 74mph wobblers and takes 2-40, so your average county attack leader. But Fisher, Thompson, Milnes and Edwards all hover around 81mph but don’t have enough qualities to make a difference and theres too much of it. We’ve struggled without high pace options across formats, so I hope that’s on the wishlist (overseas or domestic) next year. Bess and Moriarty (plus Rashid and Chohan in T20) cover the spin well and constantly fight for the first team spot, which is good to see, but Bess is out of contract at the end of this season I think so not sure what’s to come.

I follow Yorkshire with interest too, my grandfather being a member from the 1890s until his death in 1979! He used to take me to a day of the Surrey v Yorkshire annual game at the Oval for several years when I was a nipper. Yorkshire and Kent were the two pre-eminent sides for a long time in the early twentieth century, and there's a fascinating book about the subject. It seems to me that Dom Bess is perhaps a better batter than he is a bowler, and his reputation on the spinning wickets Taunton used to produce was ground-specific! Your T20 spinners are, however, excellent and Chohan for one has been in the wickets.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

16 year old Rocky Flintoff, the son of Andrew Flintoff, will be gaining much experience whilst batting at number 6 for the England U-19 team and against the Sri Lanka-19 team scored 74 not out with 1 x 6 and 8 x 4 today.

 

[HST43257]

I follow Yorkshire with interest too, my grandfather being a member from the 1890s until his death in 1979! He used to take me to a day of the Surrey v Yorkshire annual game at the Oval for several years when I was a nipper. Yorkshire and Kent were the two pre-eminent sides for a long time in the early twentieth century, and there's a fascinating book about the subject. It seems to me that Dom Bess is perhaps a better batter than he is a bowler, and his reputation on the spinning wickets Taunton used to produce was ground-specific! Your T20 spinners are, however, excellent and Chohan for one has been in the wickets.

It’s been really interesting with Yorkshire’s T20 season. Bang average batting, quality spin (and loads of it) and shocking pacemen. Chohan is working a lot at the Adil Rashid centre which seems to be doing wonders, and yeah I agree that Bess has never been effective at Yorkshire. Moriarty is a quality signing and it looks like he’s bringing his good mate Conor McKerr (another average paceman but bowls faster) up next year after an ok loan spell

 

[Busaholic]

It’s been really interesting with Yorkshire’s T20 season. Bang average batting, quality spin (and loads of it) and shocking pacemen. Chohan is working a lot at the Adil Rashid centre which seems to be doing wonders, and yeah I agree that Bess has never been effective at Yorkshire. Moriarty is a quality signing and it looks like he’s bringing his good mate Conor McKerr (another average paceman but bowls faster) up next year after an ok loan spell

You could do with a Gough or a Hoggard, maybe even a Chris Old, the latter producing the best county fast bowling I've ever seen v Kent at Dartford in the 1970s. I know he had a bit of a reputation, but that day he put his all into it. The second best fast bowling I ever saw was Graham Dilley's debut v Middlesex at Lords, five wickets on the opening day IIRC.

 

[HST43257]

You could do with a Gough or a Hoggard, maybe even a Chris Old, the latter producing the best county fast bowling I've ever seen

We tried for Olly Stone a couple years ago but why would he come here? Ben Mike only bowled 86mph ish and he had no control over his bowling, so he left after a season. Conor McKerr (if we get him) will need some development to be the guy we’re looking for. In the short term I think it has to be an overseas, but how many high pace bowlers aren’t regulated by their countries? I guess we’d look at the Aussie state players, eg Jordan Buckingham or someone

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Are there any up-and-coming fast bowlers in New Zealand in the Richard Hadlee mould who would find our wickets useful to further develop their careers?

 

[philjo]

West Indies won the toss and are bowling first.

Crawley out for a duck in the first over at Trent Bridge.

 

[DelW]

West Indies won the toss and are bowling first.

Crawley out for a duck in the first over at Trent Bridge.

In last night's women's T20 between England and New Zealand, England lost a wicket to the first ball of the match when Danni Wyatt holed out in the deep. England slipped to 87 for 6 but recovered to post 155.

England's bowlers kept the NZ scoring rate in check, and won by 20 runs to complete a clean sweep of five T20s and three ODIs.

Meanwhile this morning, England have reached 50 inside 5 overs!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

West Indies won the toss and are bowling first.

Crawley out for a duck in the first over at Trent Bridge.

The next wicket to fall was not until the score had reached 105-2 in the 19th over with Duckett the man out, but by then he had scored 71 from 59 balls with 14 x 4.

Pope and Root are the current pair at the crease.

 

[Busaholic]

Are there any up-and-coming fast bowlers in New Zealand in the Richard Hadlee mould who would find our wickets useful to further develop their careers?

Matt Henry certainly prospered at Somerset for two part seasons.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The next wicket to fall was not until the score had reached 105-2 in the 19th over with Duckett the man out, but by then he had scored 71 from 59 balls with 14 x 4.

Pope and Root are the current pair at the crease.

UPDATE

After 64 overs, England had moved on to 315-5. Pope is out, but not before scoring 121 with 1 x 6 and 15 x 4.

Stokes and Smith now at the crease.

 

[Falcon1200]

West Indies won the toss and are bowling first.

When I turned on the TV, and saw the lovely sunny weather and England batting, I thought great, we won the toss.... except of course we had not! Despite the early loss of Crawley, the West Indies decision looks to have been sub-optimal....

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

28 overs of the West Indies pace attack of Joseph and Seales saw three wickets taken, but at a cost of 169 runs in total last time that I looked.

 

[Harvester]

England 416 all out after 88.3 overs, which means close of play!

 

[HST43257]

Are there any up-and-coming fast bowlers in New Zealand in the Richard Hadlee mould who would find our wickets useful to further develop their careers?

Short answer: no

Long answer: Blair Tickner is terrible, no

 

[Trackman]

England 416 all out after 88.3 overs, which means close of play!

You are correct with 88.3 overs , thought it was a minimum of 90 overs.

 

[Donny Dave]

Usually is, however, 2 overs are lost whenever there is a change of innings, so effectively, there has been 90.3 overs today.

 

[Harvester]

You are correct with 88.3 overs , thought it was a minimum of 90 overs.

Two overs are deducted from the 90 when a change of innings occurs, hence close of play yesterday happened after the innings ended at 88.3 overs. The West Indies were spared a tricky last over of the day!

 

[Strat-tastic]

400+ in a day was almost unheard of; now it seems normal. Good old BazBall

 

[scarby]

Why on earth are the Blast quarters and finals day not until September - surely it would have made sense to complete the competition in one go?

As it is it means 4 teams (those that get knocked out in the quarters) will in effect have to prepare to play one T20 game 7 weeks from now.

 

[Busaholic]

Why on earth are the Blast quarters and finals day not until September - surely it would have made sense to complete the competition in one go?

As it is it means 4 teams (those that get knocked out in the quarters) will in effect have to prepare to play one T20 game 7 weeks from now.

What's sense got to do with it, as Tina Turner didn't sing?

 

[HST43257]

Why on earth are the Blast quarters and finals day not until September - surely it would have made sense to complete the competition in one go?

As it is it means 4 teams (those that get knocked out in the quarters) will in effect have to prepare to play one T20 game 7 weeks from now.

It is stupid, and especially since it’d be better for both the Blast and the Hundred to have it now. Keep the Blast QF and finals day in the next week or so then less of the Hundred is affected by England Test callups at the start.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Excellenr last wicket stand of 71 took West Indies from 386-9 to an all-out total of 457.

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In today's Minor One Day matches, the Cheshire v Derbyshire match played at Nantwich cricket club saw Cheshire being set a target of 243 to win by Derbyshire and were falling behind on the run rate required, then Kevin Carroll came in to bat at number 7 when the score was 136-5. He had a match to remember, scoring 62 from just 27 balls with 6 x 6 and 4 x 4 and when dismissed, the score had reached 234-6 and Cheshire reached the winning total of 243 - 6 in only 35.2 overs. Always good to see a number 7 produce runs when required.

 

[ian1944]

It was at Nantwich nine years ago where Liam Livingstone scored 350 for the home team in a rather one-sided cup match, the margin of victory being 500 runs.

 

[SteveM70]

Following on from the 43 run over last month, another very odd situation for Leicestershire today

Playing Notts (spit!) in a 50 over game, Leics put up an imposing 369/6 and then when the rain began Notts were 50/0 off 10.1

The DLS calculation left Notts needing 55 off 3.5 overs, so they retired both openers out before the resumption and sent in the big hitters.....who both got out first ball, meaning Notts effectively lost 4 wickets in 2 balls

 

[Busaholic]

Following on from the 43 run over last month, another very odd situation for Leicestershire today

Playing Notts (spit!) in a 50 over game, Leics put up an imposing 369/6 and then when the rain began Notts were 50/0 off 10.1 and why

The DLS calculation left Notts needing 55 off 3.5 overs, so they retired both openers out before the resumption and sent in the big hitters.....who both got out first ball, meaning Notts effectively lost 4 wickets in 2 balls

It's this sort of palaver I was moaning about earlier in the thread, and why a side winning the toss almost always inserts the opposition in this country if they think rain's around. I don't think 'retired out' has a part in a one day match, it's gamesmanship and should be outlawed. I'm heartily glad it bit Notts in the bum.

On a happier note, Charlie Kassell had a notable debut for Scotland v Oman the other day, taking 7-21 in a one day game, the best debut figures in that format. His first over saw wickets off the first two balls, then the fifth, so it was a three wicket maiden!

 

[Howardh]

I'm told it was £19 for the cheapest adult ticket to watch that farce of a farce at 0ld Trafford yesterday where around 27 proper overs in the H-dead were bowled, total. That's just over half way through the first innings of a proper one-day game. A fool and their money and all that!!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I'm told it was £19 for the cheapest adult ticket to watch that farce of a farce at 0ld Trafford yesterday where around 27 proper overs in the H-dead were bowled, total. That's just over half way through the first innings of a proper one-day game. A fool and their money and all that!!

Nothwithstanding the fact that it was live on BBC2 as "free to air" (if that is the correct term).

 

[Harvester]

West Indies all out for 282 after 75.1 overs in the 3rd Test at Edgbaston.