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Discussion in 'Allocations, Diagrams & Timetables' started by Northern Tank, 28 Feb 2019.
43304 failed yet again.
Shame - now on a crowded Voyager
It’s going to short form the ex 0703 bhm-edb train. Means 1307 edb-ply will be single set today.
I got the 1856 from Sheffield today (1508 ex-Edinburgh) and it produced an HST. It was terminating at Birmingham this evening.
Would this be a one-off due to engineering work? I've never been aware of this being an HST before.
Yes one due to engineering work. In the summer Saturday it will be HST and continue to Penzance.
No it won't.
I think he most likely meant Plymouth!
Yes. But Saturday it’s to Bristol. Silly me.
Still Isn't booked a HST from the new timetable regardless...
Another 1 (or even more) HSTs for XC would be really welcome. It seems bonkers that we have off-lease HSTs in storage whilst XC passengers are suffering horrendous overcrowding on 4 car voyagers. It might also allow more maintenance on the existing fleet to be carried out. Reliability does seem to have taken a bit of a hit recently.
That is a decision that is in the hands of the DFT not XCs unfortunately.
Are XC still going to be hiring in two LNER HST sets over the August Bank Holiday weekend?
Thanks for that as I haven't heard much about it for a while.
Is it true that XC will be hiring in a couple of HST sets from another TOC for the bank holiday weekend to increase capacity, as I have heard rumours about this but don't know the details...?
What???! If that's true then it's about time! They should have been doing this quite a while ago like LNER hired one from EMT from July 2015 to like now.
Question is, if they are going to hire a couple of HST's then who can lend 2?
The reason I think it could be the EMT HST's is I believe they have a few spares - shorten to 7 coaches and they'll have roughly 50 seats less than the XC HST's. They have sometimes loaned one to LNER.
I'm not bothered about the Paxman VP185 engines (better than a Valenta smoking out Birmingham New Street) - extra capacity I'm more interested in!
We shall see.
I've seen it reported elsewhere that it'll be two LNER HSTs, spare because Kings Cross will be closed that weekend.
Someone is a bit giddy! I suspect it will be LNER as Kings Cross is closed over the bank holiday weekend
That's handy then - if 2 full 9-coach sets are used then how much minutes will XC have to tweak in the timetable because of their acceleration compared to 7-coach sets?
NL65 and an ECXX set most likely the one that's currently a 2+8.
That's fine - MTU's will do (yes I did get a bit carried away there )! It's the capacity we're more interested in.
I understand that 11 years back when XC hired 2 9-coach then NXEC HST's which they also provide a buffet onboard. I hope they do that again - I can see a 9-coach HST and a buffet with it being pretty popular with passengers!
Cheaper fares too I hope given more Standard and First Class capacity in these trains.
Assuming XC go ahead with this, they'll have to mention that First Class Coach J has no power sockets.
That'd be more sensible as there are more passengers using London trains than XC trains.
There will be no buffet service. There will not be additional advance tickets, in fact for the month of August advance ticket quotas and reservations have been reduced because of the Edinburgh Festival andECML engineering works.
Will the extras be on Manchester or more on NE-SW diagrams?
North east and south west. It’s easier to get them back to east coast then.
Won't East Coast be needing them for their services via Lincoln? Bank Holiday Monday sees a half hourly service via Gainsborough. Thats better than what East Coast have provided in the past. Seems like a high reliance on Azumas entering service on time.
LNER coach J has plug sockets.
If they went on Manchesters they would possibly be involved with South Coast workings whose crews do not know HSTs
they do know. Manchester-Newquay used to be hst years ago. They try to avoid it from Manchester for some reasons
Moderator note: This thread is about current and near future XC HST diagrams; if anyone wishes to discuss the past please use the History & Nostalgia section; a thread to discuss the Manchester HSTs can be found here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...s-from-manchester-on-summer-saturdays.187427/
Only Birmingham know HSTs. Besides LSL sets are banned on the south coast.