The SW branches fact sheet does say the level crossings will be closed...
Easier said than done I imagine esp. at New Malden! Wonder if part of the Epsom line will be 4 tracked as once originally intended
The SW branches fact sheet does say the level crossings will be closed...
Interesting to see what happens with the Kingston branch - terminating trains at Teddington and running them into Strawberry Hill depot seems a bit pointless. Struggling to see where a bay platform could be added. Also level crossings are going to be a huge issue at Motspur Park/New Malden - presumably West Barnes Lane in particular would have to be closed.
Interesting to see what happens with the Kingston branch - terminating trains at Teddington and running them into Strawberry Hill depot seems a bit pointless. Struggling to see where a bay platform could be added. Also level crossings are going to be a huge issue at Motspur Park/New Malden - presumably West Barnes Lane in particular would have to be closed.
It is preposterous that the govt should be considering yet more investment in London infrastructure when the rest of the country (principally the north but also the south west and East Anglia) are starved of investment. London has benefited hugely from the public purse over the past 15 years or so. It's time to call a halt and money diverted to the regions.
I wonder what the implications now are for stock? I'd imagine that 317 and 455/456 replacement will be kept on hold until CR2 is ready to tender for replacement- at which point the franchise covering the rest of the West Anglia will have to assess it's future fleet requirements
Where do they plan on relocating the Tramlink platforms to?
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Personally would have preferred to have seen it routed via Tooting Broadway rather than Balham - the Wimbledon to Tooting corridor is very busy at the moment (I attended my secondary school for 7 years in Tooting) and the TL service is IMO inadequate.
Where do they plan on relocating the Tramlink platforms to?
It is preposterous that the govt should be considering yet more investment in London infrastructure when the rest of the country (principally the north but also the south west and East Anglia) are starved of investment. London has benefited hugely from the public purse over the past 15 years or so. It's time to call a halt and money diverted to the regions.
Hopefully the additional peak services will be able to stop at Clapham Junction or the coating G services will. I know stopping at Clapham Junction in peak has been an aspiration.From one of the CR2 factsheets:
Try getting from Clapham Junction to Poole during the evening peak rush hour. Anything which improves such journeys can only be good in my opinion.It is preposterous that the govt should be considering yet more investment in London infrastructure when the rest of the country (principally the north but also the south west and East Anglia) are starved of investment. London has benefited hugely from the public purse over the past 15 years or so. It's time to call a halt and money diverted to the regions.
Easier said than done I imagine esp. at New Malden! Wonder if part of the Epsom line will be 4 tracked as once originally intended
Loudly echoed. I recommend all masochists to try and get on the first train 1827 to Exeter, as late as that, with two suitcases, having changed from Gatwick. Done it twice now and didn't get a seat until past Basingstoke.Try getting from Clapham Junction to Poole during the evening peak rush hour. Anything which improves such journeys can only be good in my opinion.
Well my understanding was Crossrail 2 would help with this.You're not going to get additional calls at Clapham because you have trains through there every 3-4' on average during the peaks. And when you get the 1827 to EXD call there you end up with a queue of at least 3 non stop services behind it.
You won't get any extra calls at Wimbledon either for exactly the same reason, you already get thinning of service when low speed TSRs are imposed in the Wimbledon area, you already get trains miss out Wimbledon when congestion gets too much. So make of that what you will.
Not that I'm going to be worried, because I'll (hopefully) be retired before this rubbish gets underway.
Currently Weybridge gets fast and slow services towards London via Wimbledon off peak. During the peak they only get semi fast services towards London via Wimbledon and nothing else.The southern branches seem to be a bit wasteful in terms of frequency. Wimbledon terminating seems like the Paddington thing all over again.
Could another branch from there work, perhaps down to Sutton?
Surely Shepparton could take more than 4tph? Twickenham seems to have been dropped but another spot to terminate to boost Kingston seems important.
Or continue to Weybridge? Those fancy places no doubt prefer their faster services though.
Other than the Tottenham route, the northern end seems odd and inelegant to me. Essex Road could have been a good interchange, given the Moorgate line is going up in frequency and 7 days. Hackney seems a must - the original plan to take over some Central line trains (finally getting to Harlow?) could work. No Stratford though please.
Well my understanding was Crossrail 2 would help with this.
The 18.40 from Surbiton is often late, stuck behind the 18.27 Exeter services, as is the 18.32 Clapham Junction to Alton service. The 18.30 Waterloo to Portsmouth service has a longer gap before it departs so isn't usually so delayed around Clapham Junction.
Fortunately the 18.30 service to Portsmouth is booked for platform 5 at Woking. Were it platform 4, I reckon I'd miss my official connection more frequently, as the 18.40 is booked for platform 5.
Of course passengers from Gatwick Airport to Exeter could go up to Waterloo and down to avoid getting on the 18.27 at Clapham Junction but that probably requires a more expensive ticket. I'm not certain how the easements work in relation to Clapham Junction and Waterloo.
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Currently Weybridge gets fast and slow services towards London via Wimbledon off peak. During the peak they only get semi fast services towards London via Wimbledon and nothing else.
So Crossrail 2 might convert the peak semi fast services into a mixture of fast and slow; semi-fast and slow or semi-fast and fast.
Well my understanding was Crossrail 2 would help with this.
Well my understanding was Crossrail 2 would help with this.
The 18.40 from Surbiton is often late, stuck behind the 18.27 Exeter services, as is the 18.32 Clapham Junction to Alton service. The 18.30 Waterloo to Portsmouth service has a longer gap before it departs so isn't usually so delayed around Clapham Junction.
Fortunately the 18.30 service to Portsmouth is booked for platform 5 at Woking. Were it platform 4, I reckon I'd miss my official connection more frequently, as the 18.40 is booked for platform 5.
Of course passengers from Gatwick Airport to Exeter could go up to Waterloo and down to avoid getting on the 18.27 at Clapham Junction but that probably requires a more expensive ticket. I'm not certain how the easements work in relation to Clapham Junction and Waterloo.
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Currently Weybridge gets fast and slow services towards London via Wimbledon off peak. During the peak they only get semi fast services towards London via Wimbledon and nothing else.
So Crossrail 2 might convert the peak semi fast services into a mixture of fast and slow; semi-fast and slow or semi-fast and fast.
I was kind of hoping that Crossrail 2 and the 5th track might happen around the same time or in similar timescales or near enough.Yes, at the very least the '7 or 8 suburban trains' that currently run on the fast lines from Surbiton to Waterloo that will be transferred over to the main slow lines (as described earlier in the thread) will be able to stop at Clapham Jn.
However if they refill the ensuing gaps in the main fast frequency with more services from further out, they still won't be able to add any stops at Clapham Jn on the fasts.
But as the Wessex route study explains, as well as CR2 they intend to ultimately provide for a 5th track from Clapham Jn to Waterloo, and rebuild platforms 7 and 8, and that WILL allow fast line trains to stop.
I suggest HarleyDavidson is answering the question for the present time, not the end of CP6 or end of CP7 or whatever...
I was kind of hoping that Crossrail 2 and the 5th track might happen around the same time or in similar timescales or near enough.
Clapham Junction changes are definitely needed and in my opium on have been needed ever since South West Trains proposed modifying Clapham Junction over 10 years ago.
May be someone can present the view why such works are not important right now and can afford to wait. I'm aware the country isn't made of money and nor is Network Rail a bottomless pit of cash.
What is more useful to passengers, Crossrail 2 or the 5th track? I suspect Crossrail 2 as a lot of people live in London.
I thought it was 5th track or CR2, not both. However CR2 would allow slower services to use the slow lines and call at Clapham Junction. This could improve matters by allowing some medium distance services to call at Clapham Junction.
Depending on what metro services are left it may well be that they are run by trains with a top speed of 100 mph which could overcome some of the speed difference issues.
As they explain, Balham rather than Tooting Broadway is down to ground conditions making it too hard (read: expensive). Tooting Broadway would very much have been first choice if it wasn't for the technical problems
It is 5th track between Wimbledon and Clapham Jn or CR2.
CR2 includes 6 from new Malden to Wimbledon and 5 from Surbiton to New Malden.
NR are effectively pushing ahead with 5 from Clapham to Waterloo in the near future as it aligns with rebuilding the throat at Waterloo.
To be honest I would think Balham is a better alternative than Tooting Broadway anyway. Interchange with the Northern Line is retained and National Rail Services are added to the interchange list.
Which part? There goes my back garden...
Before Crossrail 2 creates a subsurface obstacle...how about a double decker Clapham Junction?
Dig new platforms and re-jig things to enable every line to have two platforms, i.e.