SwindonPkwy
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Was Kings Cross - St Pancras ever considered for inclusion in Crossrail instead of Faringdon, for example?
First definite reference to Crossrail seems to be 1974 although the 1940s London Plan discussed different options. I haven't seen any reference to a 1930s scheme though.Never seriously in the 80 years Crossrail has been planned.
CrossRail was always intended only as an East / West link across London, rather than as an interchange route.Was Kings Cross - St Pancras ever considered for inclusion in Crossrail instead of Faringdon, for example?
The current incarnation was specified to relieve the overcrowding on the eastern Central Line, particular the stations near Liverpool St.
People often comment about how it doesn't include St Pancras, (especially since the Eurostar transfer), but that would have been relieving the Met & Circle - nothing whatsoever to do with the current Crossrail's aims and objectives.
It might as well be asked why the M1 motorway doesn't go to Bristol...
Indeed. I imagine that in future many passengers who currently arrive at Liverpool Street and use the Circle/H&C/Met to reach Kings Cross or St Pancras, will use Crossrail instead and change to Thameslink at Farringdon. Thus reducing overcrowding on the Circle/H&C/Met.I suppose it would be better to say it doesn't actually have to be routed via St Pancras to have knock on benefits for the capacity there?
swt_passenger said:I suppose it would be better to say it doesn't actually have to be routed via St Pancras to have knock on benefits for the capacity there?
Indeed. I imagine that in future many passengers who currently arrive at Liverpool Street and use the Circle/H&C/Met to reach Kings Cross or St Pancras, will use Crossrail instead and change to Thameslink at Farringdon. Thus reducing overcrowding on the Circle/H&C/Met.
That's exactly what I was hinting at. Those who will be on Crossrail already can change to Thameslink at Farringdon - thus avoiding the tube altogether.no, but that's probably a smaller flow than GE-Metro to MML/GN Suburban. And you'll still have the Circle for your Ipswich-Derby passenger.
I'd have thought that an extra change at Farringdon would in many cases be preferable to arriving at Kings Cross/St Pancras by way of the Circle Line and then having that long walk through St Pancras - whether arriving at Farringdon via Inderground or Crossrail, depending of course on how convenient the Crossrail/Thameslink interchange is goint to be.
as a WCML user myself I wouldn't really want to lose our 100mph Desiros in exchange for 90mph Crossrail stock.. I still don't get why the Crossrail stock is being specced for a lower top speed than existing units
no, but that's probably a smaller flow than GE-Metro to MML/GN Suburban. And you'll still have the Circle for your Ipswich-Derby passenger.
That's exactly what I was hinting at. Those who will be on Crossrail already can change to Thameslink at Farringdon - thus avoiding the tube altogether.
Accepted, but all rumour suggests they will run to Reading which is a good way out, and Network Rail's RUS suggests they could also run to MK, which is even further.
If correct both runs give timing benefits for 100mph stock over 90...
Interesting anomaly on the Crossrail web site for timetabling. It says there will be 24 trains per hour at Paddington with 14 terminating and 10 continuing West but that there will be 10tph to Heathrow, 4tph to Maidenhead and 2tph to West Drayton which is 16 tph???
I think they are assuming the 4tph HEx is being subsumed into Crossrail???
IIRC, the Greenford branch will lose its through service to Paddington and become a simple West Ealing-Greenford shuttle. This is to eliminate conflicting junction movements.I suspect after Crossrail there will be no services from Paddington to the slow lines except for the Greenford Branch
I agree, although there will probably be an Old Oak Common station at some point and they might also call there too.and those on the fast lines that stop before Reading,then the first stop will be Slough (probably crossing to the slow lines just before the station) before calling all stations to Reading.
Initially I thought Reading a sensible option but in reality it is not. Crossrail is a metro service similar to the District and Metropolitan lines of the Underground and not intended for long distance travelling and the surprise is that it is going to Maidenhead not finishing at Slough
I would personally have Tring as the outer limit for any Crossrail services, but it does also seem that Watford Junction with all it's potential terminating capacity and space should be the logical end point for any crossrail services. But it would leave us with capacity problems in finding space for the Tring stoppers, hence extending them to Tring. (Fast between Willisden and Watford Junction).