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Crossrail opening delayed until Autumn 2019

Discussion in 'UK Railway Discussion' started by gavin, 31 Aug 2018.

  1. samuelmorris

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    and the bridge at the M25 dartford crossing! Personally speaking Crossrail 1 and Crossrail 2 etc. would have been fine in my opinion, but then I supoose if you abbreviate to XR1 then that gets a bit awkward when the numbers start increasing :P

    I still think the London Overground routes should receive a numerical system to stop it being so confusing but that's an argument for another thread.
     
  2. ijmad

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    How much delay repay can I get for a 438000 minute delay?
     
  3. FelixtheCat

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    Full refund of your ticket.
     
  4. ijmad

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    I'm legitimately pondering buying a couple of Abbey Wood to Woolwich tickets just because they'll be a curio in a few years once it's all open.
     
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    I don't think you can buy tickets to any Crossrail only station. If you buy an Abbey Wood to Woolwich ticket now, it would be to either Woolwich Arsenal or Dockyard.
     
  6. samuelmorris

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    Since Crossrail isn't the sort of railway to use advance tickets I wouldn't expect you could buy any tickets that would give any indication they use the route before opening day.
     
  7. FelixtheCat

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    Well exactly. Nobody could actually claim compensation for the lack of Crossrail services. This whole conversation is mad.
     
  8. samuelmorris

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    but clearly tongue-in-cheek. I believe ijmad's post was most likely lacking an emoticon to convey its nature :)
     
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    Is there anywhere outside London where the lines on a metro system have names rather than numbers/letters? New York is kind of half-and-half with the infrastructure having names and the services having numbers, but I can't think of anywhere purely with names like London.
     
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    Surely names are easier to remember? Even better when they are descriptive like Circle or Bakerloo.....
    And they have colours too....
    It was a long time ago but remember getting confused on the Paris Metro as they just listed end points, none of which i had ever heard of let alone knew where they were.
     
  11. ijmad

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    Indeed, I wasn't being in any way serious. Sorry if that wasn't crystal clear!
     
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    Wow. Looks like it is worse than thought:

    Crossrail set for further £1bn rescue as problems mount
    https://www.ft.com/content/a4e79458-fbbe-11e8-ac00-57a2a826423e

    Late 2020 now... :/
     
  13. samuelmorris

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    Yeah given the insider murmurs of 'it's 18 months behind schedule, not 9 as suggested' 2021 for for the 'through services' seems perfectly reasonable to expect.
     
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    Surely everything else pales into insignificance beside the very evident problems with the signalling system(s) and interaction with the new trains? There is scant evidence from all I've read/heard that this is any nearer resolving. I'm afraid the old tradition of only naming projects after dead people may well apply in this case too!
     
  15. Hadders

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    Sounds like the Jubilee Line Extension all over again...
     
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    This is going to be a huge problem for Canary wharf (amongst others). The Jubilee Line is massively overcrowded in the evening peak, along with all DLR out and there is *so much* construction going on there right now with thousands upon thousands of flats and offices going up.

    If it gets really seriously delayed again it's going to cause a massive issue to the viability of the area
     
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    Tyne and Wear Metro has the Yellow and Green lines. They used have a Red and Blue lines too.
     
  18. ijmad

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    The Los Angeles metro has mostly colour names but also the 'Expo' line.
     
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    At least they get compensated for the delay - looks like it will be like JLE where they got most if not all of their contributions back due to the delay in opening
     
  20. Busaholic

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    Dublin, though you can argue whether it's a metro.
     
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    Wasn't £1bn taken out of the Crossrail budget by Osborne back in 2010? Maybe the efficiency savings didn't work.
     
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    The Rotterdam metro previously used the names Erasmuslijn and Calandlijn but have since renamed them A to E.
     
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    Ever heard of 'A streetcar named Desire'?
     
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    Philadelphia has the Broad Street Line and the Market-Frankford Line.
     
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    Heard of it, but never seen either play or film. Thanks for the answers those who did - I should have thought of the places with colour names.
     
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    It was taken out *but* several things to take into account. There was some descoping of the project to fit the budget. Therefore what's being built is less than the original budget. Crossrail has eaten through all of the project risk and contingency funding (£400m). We are now in a situation where the project is consuming money at an enormous rate of at least £25m a week for not a lot of demonstrable physical progress. The FT article quoted an extra £1bn on top of £590m and a £350m loan to the GLA (passed through to TfL) already paid out. This is an enormous amount of money (nearly £2bn) and even if you are generous and allow £1bn for equivalence to the old budget it's still a lot of extra money. If TfL have to finance all of this overspend then the TfL budget is screwed for years. It explains why the new Business Plan, due at a TfL cttee meeting this coming week, has not been published in the meeting papers.

    The ongoing uncertainty about the train/signalling interface is extremely concerning as there's little being said that would inspire confidence that things are heading in the right direction. The stations will eventually come right (assuming stn systems are able to talk to each other!) but trains and signalling is another thing altogether.
     
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    Discussed in this very thread just 3 days ago. Look at posts #242-246. But in summary, no, the efficiency savings probably did work (in the sense of, saving money. You can argue about whether Crossrail is as good with the things that were cut in the savings). As far as we can tell, the things currently going wrong are different things from the stuff that was changed in the efficiency savings.
     
  28. Mainline421

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    Actually you can. https://twitter.com/geofftech/status/1066356400614514688
     
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    Melbourne has named lines for the trains although they're just named after the destinations but they're still line names (the Frankston line to Carrum etc. )
     
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    Canary Wharf Contractors are far from perfect. They have been replacing the stairs and lifts of the Poplar Link. The work was planned to finish by the end of 2017 and yet we are still using the temporary stairs/lifts.
     

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