Crossrail opening delayed until sometime between October 2020 and March 2021

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  1. hwl

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    Available to re-watch online for the next 5 years "apparently" unlike many of the BBC CR documentaries.
     
  2. kevin_roche

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    That's good. Hopefully the BBC will change to one year in the next few weeks.

    The BBC Crossrail documentaries can be found on YouTube if you search for them. I watched all the first and second series on YouTube last January.
     
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    OT but 4 seasons of Chris Tarrant: Extreme Railways also available to watch on My5.
     
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    Yes I can confirm that. I live in London and tend to be pretty familiar with the Oyster Pay-as-you-go fares on the routes I frequently use. However it's pretty rare that I need to make journeys entirely within zone 1. So I was pretty shocked a week or so ago when I got charged £2.40 for an off-peak Holborn-Euston journey of less than a mile (and sadly, I didn't travel enough on that day for capping to come into effect).

    (Ordinarily I'd walk a journey like that but in this case I was in a bit of a hurry. I think I would have still walked if I'd realised how much the fare was going to be).
     
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    That probably wouldn't be much slower by bus given the need to go down to the underground and change at Tottenham Court Road, Oxford Circus or King's Cross St Pancras.

    Loads of buses on that corridor.
     
  6. kevin_roche

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    More progress updates on Stations

    Liverpool Street:

    Custom House:

    Canary Wharf:
     
  7. Geezertronic

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    The Crossrail programme on Channel 5 last week didn't give us any information that we didn't know to be honest. We know that Senior management screwed up and got paid big bonuses for doing so, and that no one or no one organisation can be held responsible so it seems more of a JFDI approach now to get it done
     
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    Hanwell has a station completion date of janaury 2020 put up on the westbound platform. Actual wording "26 week project starting July 2019" it doesn't look like its being made out of a material designed to last 100 years though to be honest
     
  9. Taunton

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    There are many points along the system where work has effectively been given up for months. The plant yard east of Custom House seems to have a range of plant (presumably being paid for) that is has been sat idle long term. Either that or they manage to park all the plant back in exactly the same positions with the booms at exactly the same angle each time they use it. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.509...k-no-pi-0-ya236.99783-ro0-fo100!7i6912!8i3456

    The work yard by London City airport looks exactly the same today, blocking off public access along the dockside, as in this May 2018 Google shot https://www.google.com/maps/@51.507...4!1s19lDR_AbPIBlcfyfP8XW5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Just get on with it!
     
  10. Non Multi

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    Made a visit to the Big Smoke today, so I was able to observe the ongoing works in (and not in) progress on the Western Branch stations up to Maidenhead at platform level.

    Acton Main Line and West Ealing (TfL):
    Accessible footbridges are currently being installed.

    Ealing Broadway (TfL):
    Platform 2/3 island platform: New entrance/exit staircase in use, waiting room is now a waiting shelter.

    Hanwell (TfL):
    I could see nothing except the hoardings on the island platform.

    Hayes & Harlington (TfL):
    New eastern end platform extensions in use. Yet to see significant progress on the new station buildings, lifts etc.

    West Drayton (TfL):
    Yet to see significant progress on the new station building. Nothing to see except the blue hoardings. New station footbridge still incomplete; missing lift shafts.

    Beyond Greater London:
    Iver (TfL):
    Massive building site on the southern side, at least one lift shaft appears to be in situ.
    345 DOO cameras are installed. Some works ongoing with the existing platform waiting shelters.

    Langley (TfL):
    Accessible footbridge is half installed, walkway yet to be craned in. 345 DOO cameras are installed. Footbridge shares the same dark grey colour (and design) with the ones at Taplow and Seven Kings.

    Slough (GWR):
    Platform extensions nearing completion (see GW electrification thread for pictures), lamp posts not installed yet. Platforms have new GWR metal seats.

    Burnham (TfL):
    Station lift is now in public use. Widened entrance staircase built, removing most of the existing waiting room/ticket hall. 345 DOO cameras are installed. The proposed new station entrance with gateline appears to have been quietly dropped.

    Taplow (TfL)
    Accessible footbridge structure is installed, glazing is fitted, the 3 lift shafts have no outer cladding yet. 345 DOO cameras are installed. Majority of signage is still not in Johnston 100/New Johnston.

    Maidenhead (GWR):
    Platform extensions are a work in progress, significant height difference in the new platform extension at the western end and the existing p2/3 island platform. Should require at least a long ramp. 345 DOO cameras are currently being installed. New GWR seats installed.

    TfL have put in a number of small grey cube planters at all their stations, as well as the standard wood/metal TfL platform seats in Elizabeth Line colours and new ticket machines.
     
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    The latest monthly report from Mark Wild to the London Assembly Transport committee has been published on the TfL website.

    The situation with the Western section stations is mentioned:
    There are contracts also being arranged for work on the line to Shenfield:
     
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    The hoarding have been there for years, probably from around the time they started work on electrification. Was the original idea that they were going to terminate some trains there in platform 5? In the event they've used Hayes, and that may have been something to do with getting the signalling to work on the Heathrow branch.

    Platform 5 at West Drayton used to be for the Uxbridge and Staines branches. I doubt it will have been used for passenger services since those Branches were closed to passengers over fifty years ago.
     
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    It was used for terminating/starting trains from Paddington during disruption; right up to when it closed for rebuilding.
     
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    Wasn't there also an up morning peak stopping train that went through the loop at West Drayton until relatively recently?
     
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    Well I've been on a off peak Turbo from Reading that stopped at platform 5, took me by surprise as you'd expect!

    Using Google 3D satellite view you can see that the p5 loop has been re-laid and no longer meets up with the old p5 platform edge, hence the hoardings. Platform 5 is being rebuilt for the new straighter alignment and extended with p4 at the London end, this work is still ongoing. When it's all complete, I expect West Drayton p4/5 will be utilised like Maidenhead's p4/5 is today.
     
  16. matt_world2004

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    Most of hanwells work is being done outside the station due to the listed status l. The eastbound platform has a lift outside the station, the westbound platforms lift. Goes into a disused waiting room (Hence the hoardings)

    And there will be a glass building outside the station
     
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    In an article today, Building seems to be concerned by the ongoing lack of certainty over the final cost of Crossrail.

    I'm hoping we won't have to wait much longer to see the next report from Jacobs. The report from period 3 has not been posted on the TfL web site yet.
     
  18. hwl

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    Probably more the case they they don't believe what the contractors are saying.
     
  19. Taunton

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    "forecast to be awarded". That's August 2019. Crossrail was given the go-ahead for construction in 2009. How can contracts for straightforward station reconstruction work not even have been awarded, let alone started, 10 years later?
     
  20. hwl

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    Crossrail get NR to do the work but budget is the 2010 post value engineered one so original planned scope can't be delivered within funding envelope but works weren't meant for another few years, discussion go on for years with scope decreasing and costs still rising (London construction running at almost 10% for most of the decade) till it eventually comes out that there are delays /cost over runs when things finally get realistic.
     
  21. kevin_roche

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    I do wonder!
     
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    Another thing that makes me wonder is how two people can read the same report and come to a completely different conclusion about it.

    https://www.itv.com/news/london/201...020-and-march-2021-chief-exec-tells-itv-news/

    Or maybe he gave an exclusive interview but similar words as written in the monthly report to the London Assembly. Link is above in post #1019.

     
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    On the TfL Rail front of things, new station signs have been put up at Brentwood and Gidea Park.

    The new sign is just TfL corporate blue background with white Johnston ITC font in capital letters, for example: GIDEA PARK

    No TfL Rail roundel, or indeed any roundel, on the signs - presumably to remain neutral in terms of branding when the handover to Elizabeth line happens.
     
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    It would be as well if the London Assembly, when presented with the progress reports, actually asked such seemingly straightforward questions about what seem to be poor practices at high level in the project. Instead, apart from those of opposite political parties looking for opportunities to embarrass the Mayor, nothing ever seems to get queried.

    Separately, I was just past the Canary Wharf station building for the first time for a week today. The construction boards over the station entrances are finally off, and some brand new and very substantial Bostwick gates in their place. The signage over the entrances has also been unveiled, which all looks very Underground style, no purple Elizabeth Line ones at all.

    I shouted through to the orange army working on the other side of the gates "will the trains be running next week". No sense of humour ….
     
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    That's a lot of cameras! ;)
     
  26. kevin_roche

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    Is that hexadecimal? 3,431,680 in decimal. That's 8,170 per metre on two 210m platforms. ;)
     
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    There is a nicely written piece on the MyLondon website with details of the progress on stations in the Central Operating Section. It also has copies of the pictures recently published on the crossrail website.

    I can't see how they believed last summer they would be finished in December. From the photos it looks like it won't be finished this December.
     
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    Strange typo, he /she keeps on writing 'Woowhich'. :)
    Edit: Also 'Oxfords Street'.
     
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    Lack of mk1 eyeball assessment...
     
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    And "Knightlife":D
     

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