DB rolling stock

[Islineclear3_1]

Is there a definitive website that illustrates German DB locomotives and rolling stock please (with pictures)?

 

[Harbornite]

This is one of my areas of interest! I'll post some links later.
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Railfan Europe features stock lists for the majority of railway companies in Europe.
www.railfaneurope.net/list_frameset.html


Railcolor.net and mainlinediesels.net are news sites for Europe and North America, they include stock lists for the likes of Siemens and Bombardier's products.

www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1000001&lang=1

mainlinediesels.net/index.php?nav=1000001&lang=en#.U2RAJ_ldUlK

If you like Deutsche Reichsbahn locomotives, then I recommend this site: www.dr-bahn.de
It features stock lists for Class 243s, 234s etc


These two sites have info on the DB V200s:

v200.richardkrol.nl

www.v200-001.de/v200.html


V160.De has info and stock lists for the DB 218 variants. www.v160.de


Here's the site about the DR class 243s, aka DB Class 143 www.br143.de

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Thank you! I have just got back from Germany and managed to grab a few quick snaps at Cologne and Rudesheim - need to caption my pics...

 

[Harbornite]

Thank you! I have just got back from Germany and managed to grab a few quick snaps at Cologne and Rudesheim - need to caption my pics...

Coincidentally I was thinking about German railways today, I had considered posting a thread about photographic spots in Berlin. I visited that city back in October and saw a few locos but I'd defiantly go back, I've become a fan of the German scene.

Can you remember what the locos looked like without looking at your pics?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Two were ICE trains (ICE-1 and 3 I think), one was an oldish red loco pushing a rake of double decker carriages, another was a modern suburban train that looked a bit like a tram (though it was at Koln Hbf), another shot was of white carriages with red stripe at waist level pulled by a red loco

Then I have a double headed pair of oldish looking diesel engines with domed roofs.

At Rudesheim, I snapped what looked like an old electric loco in dark green (number E40-128) with cross-pantograph (rather like the LNER Class 76)

 

[Harbornite]

Some good catches there. Sounds like you saw a pair of class 218s (did they have prominent exhaust pipes), the oldish loco on the regio train could well be a class 112 or 143. The Fernverkehr train (intercity) was probably being hauled by a class 101 or 120, although 182s are occasionally used.
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Here's a class 112

 

[Gordon]

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There is a very good German stock list on Wikipedia:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Lokomotiv-_und_Triebwagenbaureihen_der_Deutschen_Bahn

Don't discount Wikipedia as a source for railway stock lists. Railways tend not to attract the sort of inaccurate entries for which Wikipedia got a poor reputation originally.



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[Islineclear3_1]

Thank you, I will have a closer look when I get around to captioning them but the family want their pictures first

 

[Groningen]

http://www.railwaybooks.org/page26.htm

 

[317666]

If the oldish red loco was at Köln Hbf then it would have been either a 111:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/max_rail_photos_ii/16616553115/in/dateposted-public/

Or a 143: https://www.flickr.com/photos/max_rail_photos_ii/16615924682/in/dateposted-public/

Indeed the IC train was probably being hauled by a 101, but 120s are definitely more common than just occasional.

 

[Harbornite]

If the oldish red loco was at Köln Hbf then it would have been either a 111:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/max_rail_photos_ii/16616553115/in/dateposted-public/

Or a 143: https://www.flickr.com/photos/max_rail_photos_ii/16615924682/in/dateposted-public/

Indeed the IC train was probably being hauled by a 101, but 120s are definitely more common than just occasional.

Yeah I should have worded that better, I meant that 182s are occasional.
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Here's a better site for info about the DR V300s

v300-online.com

 

[Islineclear3_1]

If the oldish red loco was at Köln Hbf then it would have been either a 111:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/max_rail_photos_ii/16616553115/in/dateposted-public/

Or a 143: https://www.flickr.com/photos/max_rail_photos_ii/16615924682/in/dateposted-public/

Indeed the IC train was probably being hauled by a 101, but 120s are definitely more common than just occasional.

Thank you, I will have to look closely at my photos as could be either or both. Both instantly recognisable though

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Here are some of the (few) pics I managed to get that I'm having difficulty in identifying although I think (from what has been posted here) that the class number is painted on the front of some of these

 

[Harbornite]

Some good shots there. From left to right, you've got a Bombardier Traxx F140 series 486 (www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1405131&lang=1#.V5lcU7xLOK0) of BLS cargo, a db regio class 143 (built by the deutsche reichsbahn as a class 243), a pair of db class 218s (can't remember who built these), and I'm not sure about the shunter or the green loco. The penultimate picture could also have a class 146 in it, but I'd need to see a closer view of the locomotive.


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When I was in Berlin, I saw a handful of Siemens ES64U2s, classified as Class 182 under the DB system.

This one is operated by DB Regio and used on regional services in Brandenburg

Whereas this one belongs to MRCE dispolok, a leasing company. It is being hired by DB Regio for longer distance regio services.

At Schonefeld I saw a privately owned V200 and cDB class 120s on intercity trains, but sadly I didn't get any pics.

 

[30907]

Looks like a pair of historic liveried locos in the last one.
An E40 is a 14x series, freight sister to the E10/11× express passenger (which might be the second loco from the livery).
DB has a museum depot at Koblenz, and you're by the Rhine....

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Thanks very much guys - very helpful. This was a family holiday on the Rhine so not much time/opportunity to photograph railways.... I did get a couple of shots of ICE trains at Cologne but didn't include these as they are easily identifiable (especially as they say ICE on the sides...)

 

[Harbornite]

I used to find it hard to distinguish between the ICE 1 and ICE 2 units. The most noticeable aesthetic difference is that the lights on the ICE 2 are higher up.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

I used to find it hard to distinguish between the ICE 1 and ICE 2 units. The most noticeable aesthetic difference is that the lights on the ICE 2 are higher up.

For me, one ICE train had a squarer front (rather like the BR APT but with 2 front windows) and the other ICE train had a much more curved sleek front end (presume this is the ICE-3?)

We travelled back from Cologne to Bruxelles Midi on the ICE - from memory, it was the later version. On the way from Bruxelles to Cologne, we got a Thalys TGV look-a-like train

 

[class387]

For me, one ICE train had a squarer front (rather like the BR APT but with 2 front windows) and the other ICE train had a much more curved sleek front end (presume this is the ICE-3?)

First is either an ICE-1 or 2, second is probably one of the versions of the ICE-3 but could also be an ICE-T.
Brussels to Cologne would be an ICE-3M.

 

[Harbornite]

ICE-1 (also known as class 401)

versus ICE-2 (class 402)...

There are a number of ICE-3 variants, including the ICE-T (mentioned earlier) which can tilt, and there's a diesel titlting variant as well. The most numerous ICE-3 is the class 403, which according to railfaneurope, were ordered for Rhein-Main NBS, and used on Köln/Dortmund-München/Basel & Hamburg-Köln-München.

The ICE-3 family is part of the Velaro product range, which also includes the Eurostar class 374.

 

[class387]

There is also the ICE-3 Velaro-D, which is very similar to the Eurostar e320:

Not my photo.

 

[Harbornite]

There is also the ICE-3 Velaro-D, which is very similar to the Eurostar e320:

Not my photo.

Aye that is. You can see a closer resemblance to the new ICE-4

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Oh gawd, I'm gonna have to look more closely at my pics after seeing all your offerings guys. One thing for sure, I didn't travel on an ICE-4.

 

[class387]

Oh gawd, I'm gonna have to look more closely at my pics after seeing all your offerings guys. One thing for sure, I didn't travel on an ICE-4.

They aren't in service yet, are they?

 

[Harbornite]

Oh gawd, I'm gonna have to look more closely at my pics after seeing all your offerings guys. One thing for sure, I didn't travel on an ICE-4.

They aren't in service yet, are they?

I don't think so, testing has begun though.

 

[sarahj]

Here are some of the (few) pics I managed to get that I'm having difficulty in identifying although I think (from what has been posted here) that the class number is painted on the front of some of these

The shunter# looks like a 211/212*. Quite rare, and the green loco is a 140 with pre 1968 lettering. (E40)

# I say shunter but the class was used more on short distance passenger and freight work
*Could be a 290, but the ends are round and a 290 has a short hood and a long hood, 211/212's have rounded and equal size hoods.


ICE 1's and ICE 2's

ICE 1's. Run as a rake with two power cars. Also look out for the humped back Restaurant car.
ICE 2's. Run as a power car and a driving trailer. Standard Restaurant car, but look at the front, the nose on a ICE 2 has a section that opens to access the couplings when running as 2 units. (trains often split)


SJ. Someone who knows her Avmz 107 and her Bpmz's

 

[Harbornite]

The shunter# looks like a 211/212*. Quite rare, and the green loco is a 140 with pre 1968 lettering. (E40)

# I say shunter but the class was used more on short distance passenger and freight work
*Could be a 290, but the ends are round and a 290 has a short hood and a long hood, 211/212's have rounded and equal size hoods.

Were they Eat German (ex Deutsche Reichsbahn)?

 

[sarahj]

Were they Eat German (ex Deutsche Reichsbahn)?

No. Built around late 50's. Some had steam heating. I've got as couple as models.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=D...=R0eaV-6FHYORgAaBlp_ACw#imgrc=63gHjzRrZLa9KM:

 

[Harbornite]

No. Built around late 50's. Some had steam heating. I've got as couple as models.

Oh I see, I was thinking of these

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-Baureihe_V_100.

 

[47513 Severn]

I used to find it hard to distinguish between the ICE 1 and ICE 2 units. The most noticeable aesthetic difference is that the lights on the ICE 2 are higher up.

ICE 1 = Longer train (2+12 cars) with a power car at both ends and a distinctive raised roof on the buffet car.

ICE 2 = Shorter (1+7 cars but often run in pairs) with a power car at one end and a driving trailer (with passenger accommodation) at the other.

If you saw it at Cologne it was very likely an ICE 2 as ICE 1 sets are pretty uncommon there.