December 2019 Timetable Change

Discussion in 'Allocations, Diagrams & Timetables' started by Starmill, 22 May 2019.

  1. Starmill

    Starmill Events Co-ordinator

    Messages:
    12,912
    Joined:
    18 May 2012
    Location:
    Manchester
    This thread is intended to act as a holding thread awaiting news of the December 2019 timetable changes. This year, the Principal Change Date will be on Sunday 15 December 2019.

    This post will be updated with very concise summaries as details are announced, though news is likely to be thin on the ground for at least the next couple of months.

    Where wholesale changes are expected, or there is a need for extended discussion on particular points, a dedicated offshoot thread may be created. These will be linked to from this post.

    It has been suggested that there could be wholesale changes at the following operators:
    GWR
    LNER

    Some new services are expected at:
    Northern
    TransPennine Express

    Please feel free to respond below with news and updates only. Wishlists and suggestions are welcome to be posted in our speculative ideas section. Please note that support or criticism of the proposed changes will be on topic, but that wholesale re-writing of the timetable or discussion of your own ideas would need to be posted in a new thread in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

    GWR December 2019 Timetable
    Northern December 2019 Timetable Bid
    Transpennine Express December 2019 Proposals
    TfL Rail Paddington to Reading December 2019
    LNER December 2019 Timetable Changes
    Grand Central December 2019 Timetable
     
    Last edited by a moderator: 2 Aug 2019
  2. Registered users do not see these banners - join or log in today!

    Rail Forums

     
  3. Jorge Da Silva

    Jorge Da Silva Established Member

    Messages:
    1,302
    Joined:
    4 Apr 2018
    https://www.harrogateadvertiser.co.uk/business/new-harrogate-london-rail-times-revealed-1-9773991

    LNER:

    • 6tpd: Harrogate to London Kings Cross
    • 5tpd: Lincoln to Kings Cross (from September)
    Any updates of Bradford or Huddersfield (was meant to be May, but likely to be December)

    TPE:

    • Liverpool to Glasgow (September or December)
    • Liverpool to Edinburgh

    There are a few timetable changes for Northern, TPE and LNER for September 2019.
     
    Last edited: 22 May 2019
  4. Mag_seven

    Mag_seven Established Member

    Messages:
    4,834
    Joined:
    1 Sep 2014
    Location:
    here to eternity
  5. TheBigD

    TheBigD Member

    Messages:
    817
    Joined:
    19 Nov 2008
  6. OFFDN

    OFFDN Member

    Messages:
    55
    Joined:
    30 Nov 2016
    Location:
    Herne Hill
    For Thameslink and Great Northern I have been told the following for December 2019...

    Midweek
    2Cxx King’s Cross to Cambridge North will terminate at Cambridge (in the bays) all day. GA’s new stock does not fit in the bays (2Hxx ex-L’pool St), so must run through to Cambridge North but there is only enough capacity for GA to do so, not GTR too.
    NCL into Moorgate to be closed from 22:00 each night for cleaning. Metro diverted into King’s Cross.

    Saturday
    NCL into Moorgate to be closed all day every weekend (except during February when King’s Cross is also closed and the NCL will be open) for cleaning. Metro services to divert into King’s Cross.
    9Jxx Horsham to London Bridge services (Saturdays) to run through to Peterborough (2tph) and vice versa on Saturdays, matching the weekday service.

    Sunday
    NCL into Moorgate to be closed all day every weekend for cleaning. Metro services to divert into King’s Cross.

    Various empty stock changes all week due to Brent Cross works affecting Cricklewood Sidings.
     
    Last edited: 23 May 2019
  7. cle

    cle Established Member

    Messages:
    1,822
    Joined:
    17 Nov 2010
    I am guessing the Watford DC lines will fill out their 4tph schedule, now that the new stock is approved, and running on Goblin (as of today).
     
  8. Jorge Da Silva

    Jorge Da Silva Established Member

    Messages:
    1,302
    Joined:
    4 Apr 2018
    What about the planned Thameslink services::
    • 4 additional trains per hour
      • 2 to Maidstone diverted away from Kings Cross (to Cambridge)
      • 2 to Welwyn extended from Blackfriars 9 (peak only)
    • Extension of services from Kentish Town to Luton (peak only)

    Northern Connect:
    • Carlisle-Middlesborough
    • Bradford-Manchester Airport
    • Bradford-Nottingham
    • Liverpool-Leeds
    • Sheffield-Hull via Doncaster
     
    Last edited: 24 May 2019
  9. gingerheid

    gingerheid Member

    Messages:
    841
    Joined:
    2 Apr 2006
    If that happens it's:
    a) Absolutely amazing for me personally
    b) Awful news for people commuting to Cambridge North
     
  10. 43074

    43074 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,576
    Joined:
    10 Oct 2012
    Not sure where the Kentish Town to Luton extensions are coming from, the Orpington and Rainham services already run through in the peak and no more are planned. Second, the Maidstone service won't be happening for a while yet.
     
  11. Jorge Da Silva

    Jorge Da Silva Established Member

    Messages:
    1,302
    Joined:
    4 Apr 2018
    Sorry got confused. These are the changes that were meant to happen in December 2018 to December 2019.

    Thameslink planned to do the following:

    • Increase the number of services from Bedford to Littlehampton to 2tph (from December 2018, did this happen in May 2019?)
    • Increase the number of services from Cambridge to Brighton to 2tph (happened in May 2019)
    • One additional train between Luton and London from December 2018 (delayed to December 2019, maybe?)
    • Sevenoaks services extended to Welwyn GC from May 2019 (delayed to December 2019?)
    • Maidstone East to Cambridge from December 2019 (delayed to May 2020??)
     
  12. swt_passenger

    swt_passenger Veteran Member

    Messages:
    20,147
    Joined:
    7 Apr 2010
    Bedford to Littlehampton is yet to increase but only to a max of 3 trains in the peak direction. It is only 2tph for a very short period.
     
  13. Jorge Da Silva

    Jorge Da Silva Established Member

    Messages:
    1,302
    Joined:
    4 Apr 2018
    Hopefully December 2019. Thameslink have submitted their proposed changes
     
  14. brad465

    brad465 Member

    Messages:
    526
    Joined:
    11 Aug 2010
    Location:
    Maidstone
    Annoying but not surprising the Maidstone service is being put back again, both the line and the Network as a whole (as SE can cascade some of its other rolling stock) need it. I'm guessing one reason for further delay is Chart Leacon needs to be ready to allow 700s to be stored in Ashford.
     
  15. smsm1

    smsm1 Member

    Messages:
    66
    Joined:
    3 Nov 2015
    Depending on how far Greater Anglia are through the new trains being introduced, I'd be anticipating some timetabling changes particularly in the Cambridge, Norwich, Ipswich, Peterborough to Coast area.
     
  16. Alfie1014

    Alfie1014 Member

    Messages:
    621
    Joined:
    27 Jun 2012
    Location:
    Essex
    Norwich to Cambridge extended to Stansted Airport replacing the shuttles from Cambridge I understand from December.

    And Cambridge bays another piece of infrastructure the 720s can’t fit in!
     
  17. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,812
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    New Highland Mainline Timetable I believe, be interesting to see how they've worked out the issues
     
  18. route101

    route101 Established Member

    Messages:
    4,421
    Joined:
    16 May 2010
    Anything else for Scotrail?

    I thought they had added some trains from Glasgow/Edinburgh to Inverness recently
     
  19. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,812
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    The current Glasgow/Edinburgh-Inverness timetable didn't seem that different to the last one unless I missed something.

    The only other thing for December might be a tightening of schedules to reflect the superior HST acceleration and fewer stops on many services.

    I don't think the West Highland is getting its recast yet.
     
  20. Class 170101

    Class 170101 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,060
    Joined:
    1 Mar 2014
    I think its mentioned elsewhere that GA are going to Cambridge North instead of GN and not using the bays.
     
  21. 700007

    700007 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,031
    Joined:
    6 May 2017
    Location:
    Near a bunch of sheds that aren't 66s.
    TfL Rail to take over the London Paddington to Reading stopping service from Great Western Railway.
     
  22. DaveHarries

    DaveHarries Established Member

    Messages:
    1,674
    Joined:
    12 Dec 2011
    Location:
    England
    Sticking with GWR I recall that someone somewhere on another thread uploaded a draft timetable for December showing the London Paddington services. If that TT proves to be the one that comes in then many services through Bristol Temple Meads are liable to be retimed. Certainly from that draft the train I get when I have to be in work for 8:40am (0810 Sea Mills - Bristol Temple Meads) advances to 0805. I gather that 1C04 (0730 London Paddington - Penzance via. Bristol Temple Meads) will go no further than Bristol TM but the 1740 Penzance - London Paddington via. Bristol TM is likely to continue with slight retiming. (Sources: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-dec-19-timetable.180888/page-3 and https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/gwr-class-800.100841/page-383#post-3983124).

    Meanwhile it was suggested in a magazine ("Modern Railways", August 2018 which was a GWR focus edition) that changes due in December that year (which, as we know, didn't happen) that trains between Barnstaple and Exmouth would run between Barnstaple and Exeter Central instead with an enhanced Exmouth - Exeter - Dawlish - Newton Abbot - Paignton service provided in lieu with a 30-minute frequency. I think those changes will come in. The plan as given in the magazine (Page 76) suggested that Class 158s would take over duties on Barnstaple services while Class 150/2 units would do the Exmouth - Paignton runs.

    Dave
     
  23. MikeWM

    MikeWM Member

    Messages:
    328
    Joined:
    26 Mar 2010
    Location:
    Ely
    I'm in two minds about this.

    On the one hand I do Ely <-> Stansted quite a bit, and having a direct service will be nice.

    On the other, the paths into Stansted, and the usage of the platforms there, is very tightly constrained. Trains presenting themselves in the wrong order present a massive problem. And a train arriving from Norwich is rather more likely to be delayed than one just from Cambridge. So I'm not sure at all how well this will work at the Stansted end.
     
  24. VT 390

    VT 390 Member

    Messages:
    898
    Joined:
    7 Dec 2018
    Ely already has a direct Cross Country service ever hour to Stansted Airport though.
     
  25. MikeWM

    MikeWM Member

    Messages:
    328
    Joined:
    26 Mar 2010
    Location:
    Ely
    Err, yes, good point :)

    But in my defence, often not the case when I'm travelling (after 9pm from Stansted, from Ely on Sunday before 2pm, etc.)...
     
  26. Scotrail88

    Scotrail88 Member

    Messages:
    78
    Joined:
    21 Jul 2014
    Has anyone managed to obtain any information on December changes coming up.
    I know there should be a large number of changes UK wide and with May implementation being relatively problem free, will we see confidence in rolling out all instead of holding back like the May tt change?
     
  27. Jorge Da Silva

    Jorge Da Silva Established Member

    Messages:
    1,302
    Joined:
    4 Apr 2018
    https://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pd...ern-railway-limited-s17-application-form-.pdf

    GWR December 2019 timetable plans submitted to ORR:

     
  28. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,812
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
  29. Jorge Da Silva

    Jorge Da Silva Established Member

    Messages:
    1,302
    Joined:
    4 Apr 2018
    This has been planned for a while so I am sure they made the right amount when they ordered Class 800 and 802's
     
  30. hexagon789

    hexagon789 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,812
    Joined:
    2 Sep 2016
    Location:
    Glasgow
    Just as well, I'd hate to see a reasonable looking recast fall to pieces because of stock shortages.
     
  31. theironroad

    theironroad Established Member

    Messages:
    2,267
    Joined:
    21 Nov 2014
    Location:
    London
    If the franchise committment haven't changed since the start of the franchise, then SWR are supposed to have an extra service each hour south of haslemere on the Portsmouth line and the Weymouth/Poole to london services are supposed to be recast and the additional through service from Bournemouth or poole to (was originally going to from Weymouth) to Portsmouth along the coast.

    Whether any or some of this is going to actually happen is anyone's guess.....
     

Share This Page