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The station is in a bit of a cutting, with the train obviously under the bridge. Can't imagine it being an easy recovery in the slightest.
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Derailment at Kirkby (Merseyside) - 13/03/2021
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Jamesrob637
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RTT gave the reason for the cancellation of the return working as "an issue with the train crew."
Wouldn't it have been prudent to put "a problem with the train?"
Wouldn't it have been prudent to put "a problem with the train?"
Bletchleyite
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Is there not a generic "incident" one?
I don't think that's accusatory, though - the driver certainly wouldn't have been fit to work anything back!
galwhv69
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Ah, that's not good. Main thing is that everyone's safe at least.
Jamesrob637
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Is there not a generic "incident" one?
I don't think that's accusatory, though - the driver certainly wouldn't have been fit to work anything back!
Honestly don't know! Just thought it might have been a bit insensitive towards the driver.
12 on board apparently. Wonder how a normal Saturday would've looked on a train at that time on that line. Probably not rammed (most people going into Liverpool for their Saturday night out) but busier than today for certain.
Cut it up on site?
DaveHarries
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From what I have read elsewhere this train would usually have rather more than 12 people on it in normal times so this could have been far worse were it not for the pandemic.
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I'm surprised at those videos on Twitter. They look like they were shot after the train had been evacuated and all staff and passengers had left the station. After the Preston buffer stop collision 3 or 4 years ago I went to have a look and whilst access to the station was permitted there was a policeman positioned near the train preventing anybody from getting close whilst RAIB were gathering evidence. At such a small station like Kirkby I would have thought the police would have prevented anybody from going onto the platform, especially when part of it has been demolished.
bramling
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Also lucky it was a 6-car.
The stock seems to have held up pretty well considering it was clearly quite a nasty collision. All concerned are very lucky it seems to have avoided going straight into the bridge though.
On a serious note, we do actually have some members of the RAIB on this forum.
"RTT" have not given a reason; you misunderstand how open data sources and delay reasons work.
A few threads on the subject of delay/cancellation reasons, which are worth reading, include:
- https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/delay-causes-detailed-statistics.194695/
- https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/delay-reasons.140421/
- https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...s-and-other-data-sources.181170/#post-3963227
- https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/train-cancelled-by-a-mishap.182090/#post-3989380
- https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/train-delay-information-on-national-rail-enquiries.88698/
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Thanks: some of those are quite old and all are locked now.
yes, but in the event that they don't answer your questions on this subject, you are welcome to open a new thread!
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There was also a derailment at Kirkdale not that long back: again everybody survived.
That looks to be the 1987 incident. The 1997ish incident train was in Regional Railways livery.
bazzoh
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My apologies - just going off the tweet!
so there has now been 3 incidents at the same location?
Nothing to apologise for at all!
Just adding some more information.Yes, there’s been 3 now. To be honest I really didn’t think we’d ever see it happen again after TPWS was installed, but there you go!
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Could have been a lot busier. Everton had a home football match today....but no crowds currently allowed.
Statto
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The derailment happened whilst the match was taking place, that match being 17.30 kickoff, didn't finish until around 19.20
Train driver taken to hospital after derailment at Kirkby station - Liverpool Echo
Liverpool Echo reporting that the train was a 18:35 from Kirkby - Liverpool Central of which no such train exists, in fact it was the 18:35 (2K48) which leaves Liverpool Central P1 at 18:35 and calls all stations to Kirkby P1 arriving at 18:54
This is the train which was involved
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Wezz
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That was 507002, it wasn't in service at the time, there was a passenger service stood in Kirkdale station, 002 never came close to hitting that service.
MR-507508
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Was that boxing day 2016?
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Looking at how the train has held up to the impact, I think it's rather fortunate the principal impact appears to have been on the non-driving side.
National Rail saying that there will an impact on services on both Merseyrail and Northern Services on Monday probably meaning that Northern services will terminate at Wigan Wallgate and Rail Replacements from there to Kirkby.
Northern will probably be spending the rest of the weekend contacting the relevant operators they use to see whether they've got vehicles/drivers spare for first thing Monday morning.
Northern will probably be spending the rest of the weekend contacting the relevant operators they use to see whether they've got vehicles/drivers spare for first thing Monday morning.
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Yes it was.
Wezz
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No that was 2009, the boxing day incident in 2016 also happened on the depot though, 002 has derail twice at Kirkdale whilst not in service.
Or turn back at Rainford where there is a manned signal box and arrange onward travel from there? I can imagine NR might need specialist trains to reach Kirkby from that direction. Could such a train be locked in at the Kirkby end whilst allowing Northern services to turn around at Rainford?
Wyrleybart
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"Shocked" ? I would have used "pleased", "happy" or "overjoyed".
This proves that traincrew are human and once in a while something nasty happens.
Removing the 507s might have to be at walking pace with no brakes on the damaged cab car but hopefully brakes still working on the other two vehicles of that set. Not sure whether 507s and 508s are bar coupled which possibly means the rear vehicle could be hauled as an out of gauge movement to the nearest road access, or maybe even to Kirkdale if it fits through the Kirkdale tunnels.
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Sorry to be pedantic, but as far as I am aware there is no evidence that the train crew were at fault, although of course they may have been.
It's simple, the train should have stopped, didn't and hence the accident.
There you go,
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