Derailment at Paddington - 2017-08-20

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  1. TheNewNo2

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  3. Agent_Squash

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    Don’t forget the SN 377 on fire!
     
  4. 221129

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    Been 4 derailment this week No?
     
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    The leading bogie of the rear power car of 1C81 derailed whilst leaving platform 2. The train had moved 1 power car length along the platform and stopped with the trailing power car resting against the platform.
     
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    There was also a derailment at Daventry IRFT this week, if people are counting ;)

    Not a good week at all...!
     
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    Tempting fate, perhaps I shouldn't have posted last week that the number of railway breakdown cranes had massively reduced since BR days, because derailments were so rare now...
     
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    Probably because the pic has been sold.
     
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    Where the 456 "crashed" in to the barrier train, and became "partially derailed" at Waterloo, I'd imagine.
     
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    I thought that was covered as one of the "two derailments", the other derailment being the freight at Ely?

    EDIT: OK I should have realised that you were including today's derailment as one of the two. :D
     
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    It did, it was basically the same as the other picture but from a slightly different angle.

    As said above, probably been sold.
     
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    Neville Hill as well.
     
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    What is dispatch position for guard/TM at Pad for HST ?
     
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    Well
    Waterloo
    Ely
    Paddington

    Kings Cross
     
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    Lots of tie bars.
    Hasn't there been a gauge spread derailment at Paddington with a HEX before?

    Ahh a combination of track defect and unit.
     
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    Missing out Neville Hill and Daventry
     
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    I was clarifying the original post. :)
     
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    Tm is at the back of the set so in the first class carriage if in normal formation
     
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    Didn't a hex train derail in there before.
     
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    The TM would have noticed the derailment and signalled one bell to the driver to stop, which would have been significantly quicker than the despatcher making a call to control, control to the TVSC and TVSC to the driver.

    It'll be okay though DOO is 100% safe after all....
     
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    It certainly hasn't been a good week, although thankfully there seems to have been no notable injuries in any of the incidents.

    Regarding stopping dispatch, the Guard is undoubtedly the fastest means of stopping the train in these circumstances. However, with GSM-R and the REC facility, it takes one call from Dispatcher to Signaller and the entire area can be brought to the stand at the push of a button. I am by no means an advocate for DOO, but stopping trains in an emergency is easier now than it ever has been!
     
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    TGS at the rear on this occasion. No different for dispatch though.
     
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    Nevertheless, had this train been stopped by a REC it would have travelled significantly further, with the potential for a significantly worse outcome.
     
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    Unless I've missed a really big development, dispatch staff are not routinely equipped with GSM-R handsets, and therefore it is likely that an emergency call to the signaller will need to take place over whatever the nearest handset is (which could involve running down to the end of the platform or to a control panel half way along).

    It is only after the relevant information is relayed that the signaller will then be able to make a decision to use their GSM-R terminal to stop trains, which whilst relatively simple, will probably (by that point) happen after the derailed train has caused quite a lot more damage, may have injured people, and other services may be affected. Indeed, a derailed DOO service could well have been stopped by a passenger alarm eventually, or by the brake lines being damaged, but neither is going to be as rapid as somebody being able to look out of the window and stop the job immediately.
     
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    Not in platform 2, a 360 Connect derailed in one of the other platforms reasonably recently.
     
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    See link in post 17.
     
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    I trust you have witnessed the "quality" of some station staff.....

    Not to mention the drummed in mentality to not delay trains which puts significant doubt and worry of being bollocked for stopping the job.
     
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    To clarify, I was pointing out that it would have been quicker than inferred in the original post. As I also said, the Guard was certainly in the best position to stop the train in this circumstance. Also, I am aware that it would require one emergency call Dispatcher to Signaller from the nearest telephone and one REC broadcast.

    In terms of the 'quality' and mindset of platform staff, those who are safety critical and are actually concerned in the train dispatch process should know that safety takes priority over performance and will have had he various means of stopping trains in an emergency drilled into them, assessed and re-assessed.
     

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