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Just seen this on BBC News website:
I have no further details at present.
I have no further details at present.
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Derailment between Downham Market and Kings Lynn
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Having had a quick look, it would make sense that this is the train involved: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H12184/2013/11/15/advanced
The delayed 1239 departure from Middleton Towers, Kings Lynn.
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The delayed 1239 departure from Middleton Towers, Kings Lynn.
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CockneySparrow
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Correct, there are two a day now from Middleton Towers
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Looks like it happened at Lynn, either the points weren't changed at the box or a CAT A Spad
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H12184/2013/11/15/advanced
ChiefPlanner
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Sand train coming off the ex docks branch and whilst traversing Tenyson Rd crossing - apparently the rear 14 loaded vehicles "have become derailed" - plan was to split the undamaged front part and move to Ely - hopefully - with luck - allowing FCC to run into the station. Depends of course on the extent of damage and if rail route is safe to pass etc etc. Meanwhile - everything turns round at Downham Market and buses onwards (which were arranged PDQ , as was the response by all parties at Kings Lynn) - more when known as they say....
G0ORC
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Jumping to conclusions on the basis of a TRUST report does no-one any good.
Do not pre-judge until you know...
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Obstruction, track defect, wagon defect, any one of thousands of things........
ChiefPlanner
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Speculation is unwise ...leave it to the experts on site this cold evening (and those getting people home or whatever)
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It's better to wait until the RAIB report comes out before anyone points the finger
Your source for this is?
Quite an accusation a CAT A Spad!
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How can a cat A derail the middle of the train?
I take it you dont actually have a clue what you are talking about and are just trying to look big but actually making yourself look a twit (sp).:roll:
CockneySparrow
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Your source for this is?
Quite an accusation a CAT A Spad!
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How can a cat A derail the middle of the train?
I take it you dont actually have a clue what you are talking about and are just trying to look big but actually making yourself look a twit (sp).:roll:
Its not a CAT A Spad, probably shouldn't have wrote that, if it was there wouldn't have been a derailment at all as the train would have just went back to Middleton Towers
That would only leave something happening with the points
Anyway we will leave for the RAIB report
Trains are now running again as of 18:30
CockneySparrow
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Or a train defect, or a rogue badger, or anything! You're still speculating.
To clear this up my first couple of posts were jumping to conclusions and I shouldn't of written it, I apologise and take it back
The last post I am not speculating or accusing, I said "something happened at the points" which is a vague comment, there is no accusation there at all, its just my opinion of where the wagon come off the track that's all, I didn't say in that post how I thought it might have come off the track
CockneySparrow
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Now standing in Morrisons car park looking at the wagons, what I am seeing is around 14 wagons in dock branch which they use to change ends, all wagons appear to be grounded and upright with the outside rail on its side, there are currently a few NR staff around the wagons but so far nothing going on
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Schenker staff were there mid afternoon, they have managed to put 5 wagons back on the track, from what I saw they were handballing them back on the track, there was no lifting gear or engine on site
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Schenker staff were there mid afternoon, they have managed to put 5 wagons back on the track, from what I saw they were handballing them back on the track, there was no lifting gear or engine on site
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Ploughman
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Must be seriously big blokes to Handball them back on if no lifting gear present.
Or do you not class Jacks etc as lifting gear?
Or do you not class Jacks etc as lifting gear?
edwin_m
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I can happily recommend a decent plant hire company, should anyone require heavy machinery to dig themselves out of a particularly deep hole.
If you're in a hole, aren't you supposed to stop digging?
Quite right, of course - I'm not sure whether I was suggesting heavy plant to continue digging or to effect some sort of rescue from above
.jonty14
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Whats wrong with speculating? It gives something to talk about. No need to be nasty to Cockney Sparrow. This is the reason why I don't write on here much. You get slagged of all the time.
CockneySparrow
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I think when I say handballing you all know exactly what I mean. Anyway state of play around 6pm is a further 4 or 5 have been put on the tracks again with around 5 left grounded
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I apologised for that
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I apologised for that
CockneySparrow
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Looking at real time trains today and it appears that both sand trains have been cancelled???
CockneySparrow
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There are three lines and only one out of use, its still possible to use the other two
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And you know that for definite how?
If the points were involved, and have now been run through or whatever, I doubt the other line will be used now.
CockneySparrow
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Definately three lines including the one that's damaged
Besides they only use two at a time one for the whole set coming in the second for the engine to run round, as its only the wagons that derailed it will only be one of the three that's affected, I mean how can a wagon/engine derail on track its not on, suppose if something tipped over on its side it could damage the track next to it but not in this case as everything was upright just grounded
Where the points are they were just pushing the rerailed wagons back over it
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So as you seem to know so much about this can I ask you a few questions-
1/ is the derailed train foul of any other lines.
2/ is the derailed train clear of the overlap track circuits.
3/ are the damaged points preventing any routes being set and proved.
4/ if the train is clear is there enough clearance for people to work around the train.
5/ if there is enough clearance how will the teams work, red zone or green zone.
6/ what form of protection will be used while the teams are working.
When you have answered those I will ask you another 6 questions.
1/ is the derailed train foul of any other lines.
2/ is the derailed train clear of the overlap track circuits.
3/ are the damaged points preventing any routes being set and proved.
4/ if the train is clear is there enough clearance for people to work around the train.
5/ if there is enough clearance how will the teams work, red zone or green zone.
6/ what form of protection will be used while the teams are working.
When you have answered those I will ask you another 6 questions.
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