Derby Resignalling - 22 July - 7 October 2018

[ag51ruk]

I noticed on Saturday that the track next to 'Ramsline Halt' had been lifted - are there any plans to remove the platform during the works?

 

[43055]

Is this part of the North of Derby journey time improvements? (If that scheme is still on the cards) Or just a like for like renewal? The track work for Derby resignalling only goes as far north as the bridge with the A38 over it.

The Derby project extends all they way up to Clay Cross and the matlock branch. Most of the work up there is to do with where phones go to the EMCC and not the PSB. The loops will also become passenger loops and not goods loops. Most of he work north of Derby is before Duffield.

I noticed on Saturday that the track next to 'Ramsline Halt' had been lifted - are there any plans to remove the platform during the works?

Yes the platform will be recovered.

 

[alex17595]

I noticed on Saturday that the track next to 'Ramsline Halt' had been lifted - are there any plans to remove the platform during the works?

I put some of the tower lights out a few weeks and the track has been out since. I didn't take any photos though. Tend to get a bit of stick at work taking photos of things like that.

 

[civ-eng-jim]

The Derby project extends all they way up to Clay Cross and the matlock branch. Most of the work up there is to do with where phones go to the EMCC and not the PSB. The loops will also become passenger loops and not goods loops. Most of he work north of Derby is before Duffield.

Strangely, though, the loops are being renamed from "Passenger" loops to "Broadholme" loops

 

[lammergeier]

It's part of the bigger scheme rather than a like for like renewal - The new turnout is 40mph and the old was only 25mph (I think). For the scheme to operate as so desired, higher speeds into and out of the loops was required.

On the Up Tamworth a turnout was replaced on the Sunnyhill loops last summer as part of some pre-closure works to de-risk the main works. I'm not sure why the other turnouts on the Sunnyhill loops couldn't be done outside of the partial closure though.



Is this part of the North of Derby journey time improvements? (If that scheme is still on the cards) Or just a like for like renewal? The track work for Derby resignalling only goes as far north as the bridge with the A38 over it.

Just to add, the loops are being upgraded from goods to passenger as well which adds to the flexibility of the scheme.

 

[civ-eng-jim]

Just to add, the loops are being upgraded from goods to passenger as well which adds to the flexibility of the scheme.

What passenger services are likely to require looping here? To mind only Derby - Crewe trains would cause conflict issues around North Staffs junction.

 

[43055]

Strangely, though, the loops are being renamed from "Passenger" loops to "Broadholme" loops

So it is. Tells you how often I looks at that plan. I thought it was just a goods loop?

What passenger services are likely to require looping here? To mind only Derby - Crewe trains would cause conflict issues around North Staffs junction.

I don't think they would be used that much. The Crewe services would likely to be held on the branch for xc services to pass. The other direction it would be at the station as it is now. I think it is more likely for times of disruption they could be used.

 

[pdeaves]

Strangely, though, the loops are being renamed from "Passenger" loops to "Broadholme" loops

It is the current national naming convention to use geographically-specific names. The 'Broadholme loop' can only be in one place, the 'passenger loop' could be almost anywhere.

 

[snowball]

It is the current national naming convention to use geographically-specific names.

Possibly related to the move to ROCs covering very large areas.

 

[pdeaves]

Possibly related to the move to ROCs covering very large areas.

Definitely, yes (and other areas where work takes place, in readiness).

 

[lammergeier]

What passenger services are likely to require looping here? To mind only Derby - Crewe trains would cause conflict issues around North Staffs junction.

It should allow an on time Birmingham/Cardiff 170 to be let out a few minutes ahead of a late running Plymouth without a) getting in the way of the Plymouth or b) being sent the long way round via Whitacre which is the current situation. New St like everything to arrive in the correct order where possible so this should be a more efficient way of ensuring that happens. I accept it probably won't be used much but the question was asked about the work and this is part of the scheme.

 

[martinr1]

Related but may be of interest:-

 

[grumpyoldman01]

Local buses have been displaced from the railway station's bus station, and now drop down/pick-up from a temporary bus stop in front of the 'Waterfall' (was the Railway Institute); where they stopped is now rail replacement pick-up point D5 - used for Burton/Uttoxeter buses - and they are shown as such on the station's main departure board.

Incoming buses drop-off in Midland Road, in front of the Hallmark Inn, in a temporary bus stop; a lollipop man has been provided to escort passengers across Midland Road to the station!

On the station itself, there is still a lot of work to do, but it looks as if it's approaching the end of the work on platform 6/7 as there was a guy busily cleaning the paving at its north end

 

[martinr1]

A look at the station on Friday 27th July. A very well organised customer information system was in operation with a pleasant offer of a butter croissant with strawberry jam!

 

[43055]

Local buses have been displaced from the railway station's bus station, and now drop down/pick-up from a temporary bus stop in front of the 'Waterfall' (was the Railway Institute); where they stopped is now rail replacement pick-up point D5 - used for Burton/Uttoxeter buses - and they are shown as such on the station's main departure board.

Incoming buses drop-off in Midland Road, in front of the Hallmark Inn, in a temporary bus stop; a lollipop man has been provided to escort passengers across Midland Road to the station!

On the station itself, there is still a lot of work to do, but it looks as if it's approaching the end of the work on platform 6/7 as there was a guy busily cleaning the paving at its north end

The bus operation does seam to be well organised although the replacement bus stop for the local buses is not very well indicated as it is just the markings on the road.

I'm sure next week will bring in some of the more viable work on the project with only 1ph to Matlock and London operating as a lot of the work this week has been around the Peartree to Stenson area.

 

[Mugby]

Is Etches Park Depot continuing to function as normal during the blockade or have arrangements been made to carry out their usual servicing activities elsewhere?

 

[swt_passenger]

Is Etches Park Depot continuing to function as normal during the blockade or have arrangements been made to carry out their usual servicing activities elsewhere?

There was a bit in railengineer magazine about some overnight work being done at other locations, Leicester, Barrow Hill, Central Rivers are mentioned.

I think it might have been linked before, but here it is:
https://www.railengineer.uk/2018/07/03/derby-station-remodelling/

 

[gazr]

Is Etches Park Depot continuing to function as normal during the blockade or have arrangements been made to carry out their usual servicing activities elsewhere?

Think I read on the forums somewhere that Etches Park has a planned Summer break for the next two weeks. By which time, I imagine the South end of Derby will be at a stage where access can be restored?

 

[swt_passenger]

Think I read on the forums somewhere that Etches Park has a planned Summer break for the next two weeks. By which time, I imagine the South end of Derby will be at a stage where access can be restored?

If I’m remembering the same post as you I think it was referring to the Bombardier works having a break.

 

[civ-eng-jim]

Looking North from a footbridge/cycle path just to the north of Pear Tree Station - 70mph connection between the Down Tamworth Slow and Down Tamworth Fast

 

[civ-eng-jim]

Looking South from Osmaston Road Bridge - 50mph crossover between the Down Tamworth Slow and Up Tamworth Slow, and plain line renewal of Down Tamworth Fast and Up Tamworth Fast.

As of today, this should be all the trackwork south of Osmaston road now complete (With the exception of some faffing about with a turnout on the Sinfin Branch)

 

[Foggycorner]

Oh crap, inbarer clamplocks lets hope the points heating is 100%

 

[deltic08]

Related but may be of interest:-

Where are the passengers for the stopping services? I didn't see any during the whole video.

 

[martinr1]

They were there!

 

[civ-eng-jim]

Oh crap, inbarer clamplocks lets hope the points heating is 100%

Ooooh, I think heating is only designed for 94.7%...They should be able to turn it up a notch in February.

Are IBCLs really that bad?

 

[grumpyoldman01]

Passed over Pride Park bridge on a bus at about 10.30 this morning, and could see a Meridian in platform 7; seemed to be stationary.

Anyone know if the new platform is in use yet?

 

[civ-eng-jim]

Passed over Pride Park bridge on a bus at about 10.30 this morning, and could see a Meridian in platform 7; seemed to be stationary.

Anyone know if the new platform is in use yet?

If all is going to plan on the track installations, and I haven't seen anything to suggest that it isn't, then it should be in use as they'll be ripping out the platform roads soon. Realtime Trains doesn't show a platform number for London services, so probably is in use now.

 

[Hairy Bear]

Being used by the xx.20 semi-fast for Pancras each hour.
Hourly xx.36 using 5b (ex 6) for Matlock. Everything else is a bus.

 

[grumpyoldman01]

If all is going to plan on the track installations, and I haven't seen anything to suggest that it isn't, then it should be in use as they'll be ripping out the platform roads soon. Realtime Trains doesn't show a platform number for London services, so probably is in use now.

Thanks for that info; had also noticed platforms for London trains not shown on Realtime Trains.

They've worked hard since I was last there on Thursday afternoon to have it in use by today; could also see lots of Orange Army guys about, but from quick "gleg" from bus the track layout still seemed to be intact at north end, and nothing done to shorten old platforms 2, 3 4, and 6.

 

[civ-eng-jim]

You should start seeing modifications to the southern end of the platforms soon - Trackwork is happening between the station and Osmaston Road for the next fortnight.

The Northern end won't be touched until 27th August. Matlock trains will still be running up until then.