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Go for it.
Bash 442s all day is my idea of fun.....
Bash 442s all day is my idea of fun.....
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thefab444
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If there is a shortage for 444s for whatever reason, either the train is cancelled, or a 450 will subsitute. Since the 442s have been retired, the occurance of a 444 + 450 combo has become more common... just as well the two are vagueley compatible, as if they weren't, we'd see "a bit" of overcrowding on services booked 10DES, but only formed 5DES!
JS
Harry Douthwaite
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Ah. I'll have to fit that into some of my later planned MSTS activities.
Now what I'd like to know, is why did they retire the Wessex Electrics? And don't say because of age. They were only two decades old.
Now what I'd like to know, is why did they retire the Wessex Electrics? And don't say because of age. They were only two decades old.
Because they were offered the Junipers for less than they were paying for the Wessies. They took the 458's back and let the 442's go. Saves money that can be given back to the shareholders, used to keep prices down and spend on 158's/159's to up capacity.
You might not like the loss of the 442's and the new Super Off Peak, but apart from that other fares have stayed lower than other opperators, they have a great fleet of new/refurbished trains and have upped capacity and increased the number of services. Say that of another recently awarded contract.
You might not like the loss of the 442's and the new Super Off Peak, but apart from that other fares have stayed lower than other opperators, they have a great fleet of new/refurbished trains and have upped capacity and increased the number of services. Say that of another recently awarded contract.
TheSlash
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Because they were a minority fleet operating out of a dedicated depot.
24 units using 1950's technology for traction. You may mention the 455's, but how many exist {SWT and Southern} compared to the 442's?
The press circus surrounding the 458's was also a decision, nobody wanted to admit that 30 french trains still didn't work properly 8 years{?} after they were introduced
thefab444
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I must say, apart from some legroom issues, the work they've done on the 158s is rather good. It's a shame other operators down here don't seem to understand the meaning of the word refurb... if FGW ever do anything about the shoddy nature of their 158s, it'll be an HST-style refurb. Can't be any worse than it currently is!
Bit of a shame SWT are being kicked out of Brighton really; another service consigned to history.
Bit of a shame SWT are being kicked out of Brighton really; another service consigned to history.
AlexS
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Technically speaking, you could say that of all sorts of companies. Southern, SET, Virgin West Coast, Cross Country and so on. Yes, the 'great' part of the fleet is debateable, but then, so are the 450s.
thefab444
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But they're not recently awarded though? I think the OP meant First Capital Connect and their ilk...
JS
PS I presume the Eastleigh - Stewarts Lane moves will be done without an assisting loco?
JS
PS I presume the Eastleigh - Stewarts Lane moves will be done without an assisting loco?
Yep as far as I am aware its a handful of Freightliner drivers that have been trained to drive them, hence the runs a few weeks ago.
Hentis
Harry Douthwaite
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Actually, we were pretty impressed with the FCC Class 365 sets.
They were rather comfy, smooth and a fast ride to Cambridge from Kings Lynn. I have not been on the FCC Class 313 or 317 sets as to date, but I hope to be doing so before long. But I have been on the 313/317 units in WAGN days (2004). I even managed to sit with the driver for seven stations down the Hertford Loop on my last trip to London! (Cuffley, Crews Hill, Gordon Hill, Enfield Chase, Grange Park, Winchmore Hill). That really made my day. It's on my camcorder too!
But now back to the topic...
Has a date been announced for the Class 442 relocation scheme? If I could make it to Eastleigh for the date and time of the relocation then I would at least try to get there. But when you live in Canada, and you have relatives who live only in Hertfordshire, it's a pretty long shot to Eastleigh by one's self.
And that's if I even come to England this year. Dad's being a bit of a hard boiled egg at the moment. Saying it's too expensive when it's $800+ cheaper than last year!
Still, we'll see what the future holds in for my trainspotting activities...
Harry
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Tom
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Your posts are pretty short then.... 
It's not a relocation scheme BTW, it's simply that they're going to be leased by Southern. There is no set date but early - mid August is what I've been told now.
Don't show off about cabrides that aren't offical either, very very bad idea.
It's not a relocation scheme BTW, it's simply that they're going to be leased by Southern. There is no set date but early - mid August is what I've been told now.
Don't show off about cabrides that aren't offical either, very very bad idea.
Harry Douthwaite
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Ah! So we're going to be seeing these 442s on Victoria-Portsmouth workings then are we? That would be extremely delightful. If I do come to England, I fly to Gatwick Airport, so that would be right in my trainspotting path.
Or are they likely to be on other workings away from the Redhill area?
Harry
Or are they likely to be on other workings away from the Redhill area?
Harry
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Tom
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No.
Gatwick Express and London - Brighton
And the majority of pigs won't run through Redhill, they'll run via the Quarry lines.
Gatwick Express and London - Brighton
And the majority of pigs won't run through Redhill, they'll run via the Quarry lines.
Harry Douthwaite
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I see. I've heard that's an extremely busy section of the line.
Still, they will be going to and through Gatwick Airport then. Because if I do visit England, it will most likely be the 27th July-9th September. So on the 9th of september I will probably see a few 442s about?
Still, they will be going to and through Gatwick Airport then. Because if I do visit England, it will most likely be the 27th July-9th September. So on the 9th of september I will probably see a few 442s about?
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Tom
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On stock moves from Eastleigh to Stewarts Lane/Selhurst, probably. Not in service - that's next year.
paul1609
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Go for it.
Bash 442s all day is my idea of fun.....
heres a route learning video for you tom,
a proper main line!
http://www.lobsterpictures.tv/webcom/lonbri.php
TheSlash
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London to Brighton, on a Derby **** box
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Tom
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Should be on some of those trains with those EE546 motors currently in Eastleigh, oh...wait.
And Paul how can you call a 60 mile line a mainline?
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