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Do you stand up more to people who are sexist and misogynistic on public transport in the wake of Sarah Everard's murder?

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After 2 years of no football fans, I was on a train full of them. A small group where chanting "Wayne Couzens did nothing wrong". No-one told them it wasn't OK to say that and I was too scared. Would you stand up more to people who are sexist and misogynistic on public transport in the wake of Sarah Everard's murder?
 
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I wouldn’t be telling a group of football fans how to behave on a train, although equally they wouldn’t intimidate me.

Report it to the BTP or train staff.
 

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After 2 years of no football fans, I was on a train full of them. A small group where chanting "Wayne Couzens did nothing wrong". No-one told them it wasn't OK to say that and I was too scared. Would you stand up more to people who are sexist and misogynistic on public transport in the wake of Sarah Everard's murder?

Most people would all like to think that they would stand up an say something, but it is easy to say that when typing at a keyboard, and not so easy when you are on a train in those circumstances.

It says a lot about the mentality of those people that they would even think of saying those sort of things, and I wonder if any of them who were so "brave" in chanting that in the middle of a group of young men would contemplate saying the same thing on their own.
 

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After 2 years of no football fans, I was on a train full of them. A small group where chanting "Wayne Couzens did nothing wrong". No-one told them it wasn't OK to say that and I was too scared. Would you stand up more to people who are sexist and misogynistic on public transport in the wake of Sarah Everard's murder?

(Discretely) video the group and post it online so that the faces of the people chanting are visible. I would imagine that over the next couple of days, those people would very quickly discover what, probably around 95%+ of the population thinks about that particular chant. (Yeah, I realise if you're feeling scared, then that would be quite a daunting thing to do)

(More generally, seems utterly shocking that anyone could think it's OK to act in that way about such a horrific murder).
 

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After 2 years of no football fans, I was on a train full of them. A small group where chanting "Wayne Couzens did nothing wrong". No-one told them it wasn't OK to say that and I was too scared. Would you stand up more to people who are sexist and misogynistic on public transport in the wake of Sarah Everard's murder?
Which club did they follow?
 

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If I did stand up to the group of idiots promoting murder, and a fight did erupt, could I be liable to be charged? Problem with this country is that the law often seems to pick on the victims and do-gooders more than the thuggish.
As a result of this, I would honestly be disgusted, but act as normal for a train journey and ignore loud shouting people, and just talk about how annoying they are to sensible passengers nearby. You can't really stop idiots shouting, asking them to stop would result in more shouting, these on your train were likely trying to upset the public on purpose, as to get a confrontation.

I always try to ignore such news stories, I believe that the press generates a type of legendary status for murderers, but not for the victims or crime solvers, that inherently causes idolisation of killers and copycats, especially when nicknames are thrown in.
 

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If I did stand up to the group of idiots promoting murder, and a fight did erupt, could I be liable to be charged? Problem with this country is that the law often seems to pick on the victims and do-gooders more than the thuggish.
That would be the least of your worries. The type of scum that think it is ok to chant extremist racist/misogynist chants is likely the same type of scum that think it is ok to kill or severely beat someone who dares challenge them, so if you are thinking of confronting them, first consider whether you can finish what you start. I personally wouldn't confront in such a situation because I am not an experienced street fighter or trained MMA fighter, and I don't carry offensive weapons, so all that would likely happen is I get killed or severely beaten to the point my friends and family will barely recognise me, and for what (and having had a cranioplasty I am probably more vulnerable to a blow to the head). It is no different to rail staff refusing to confronting fare dodgers, shop staff refusing to confront people not wearing masks during peak COVID, or petrol forecourt staff refusing to challenge aggressive/abusive motorists. This is really one of the fundamental reasons why Americans value their right to bear arms.
 

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After 2 years of no football fans, I was on a train full of them. A small group where chanting "Wayne Couzens did nothing wrong". No-one told them it wasn't OK to say that and I was too scared. Would you stand up more to people who are sexist and misogynistic on public transport in the wake of Sarah Everard's murder?
Did you report this to the police at the time?

It would be very unwise for a member of the public to confront a bunch of football fans, especially if they are also chanting such vile things.
I was once silly enough to ask a youth listening to ‘drill rap’ out loud on his phone on the train to turn it down. I was lucky not to get beaten up or stabbed.

If I witnessed harassment it would of course depend on the situation. Rather than confronting, it may be best to at least make your presence known (for example, the perpetrator may have started their harassment without realising there was someone else further down the carriage) maybe take discrete video or voice recordings, contact BTP and any train staff, and ask if the person is ok if the perpetrator leaves.
Going in ‘all guns blazing’ might look chivalrous and ‘manly’, but could make the situation worse and put yourself in danger.
 
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Out of interest, how do you know they were football fans? Which team did they appear to support? What train was it and where were they going?
 

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The ultimate orientation of Western feminist theory is identity politics, so the contradictions between the sexes in society have not moved to peace, but have intensified.
 

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The ultimate orientation of Western feminist theory is identity politics, so the contradictions between the sexes in society have not moved to peace, but have intensified.
You've lost me there.
 

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