Does the Gold Card trick still work?

Ianno87

Veteran Member
Joined
3 May 2015
Messages
15,199
I understand that even in its heyday and with the possible attraction of the swt free tickets the Ryde Esplanade ticket only reached sales iro 200 pa. This is despite its virtues being extolled by Barry Doe in Rail magazine. I doubt anyone is going to break a sweat over those figures tbh.

If the numbers sold are that low, it sort of proves my point upthread that the "niche" spot it is filling (that is not satisfied by the Network Railcard) is for very specific circumstances/usage requirements.
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

[.n]

Member
Joined
8 Apr 2016
Messages
556
Well apart from the odd member of staff who might take exception I guess. Not that hit one yet for the Exter season ticket but I did change the station I buy from in case of issues, as I was aware someone couldn't buy it on gold card stock and had to buy a more expensive one.
I bought one recently and it automatically came on gold stock - it was trying to make in a smartcard that we (the ticket office) couldn't manage. There was no other hint of staff not wanting to issue it
 

infobleep

Established Member
Joined
27 Feb 2011
Messages
10,698
I bought one recently and it automatically came on gold stock - it was trying to make in a smartcard that we (the ticket office) couldn't manage. There was no other hint of staff not wanting to issue it
That is good. I certainly wouldn't order it online in case it got issued on none gold card stock and then I'd need to sort it out
 

Ibl0010

New Member
Joined
1 Jul 2021
Messages
3
Location
Buckinghamshire
Glad i found this post. I am gathering as much research as possible to take the plunge on buying Hatton to Lapworth so i can add to my oysters card. If i may i have some questions to ask:

1. When you buy Hatton to Lapworth season ticket, do they give you 1 season ticket and a separate gold card or it is combined.

2. What is the current price of Hatton to Lapworth season ticket.

3. When you go and buy the ticket, do you just ask for season Hatton to Lapworth season or what do you ask for to get the gold card with it.

4. What are the current area and operators gold card can be used in.

5. Do i also need to purchase a separate network rail card to get a third off train ticket or does the gold card serve this purpose also.

6. When linking gold card to oyster, is this on register oyster card or pay as you go.

7. Currently what restrictions if any are there when using the gold card to buy returns train tickets, day travel card or single oyster journey.
 

Watershed

Established Member
Joined
26 Sep 2020
Messages
3,197
Location
UK
1. When you buy Hatton to Lapworth season ticket, do they give you 1 season ticket and a separate gold card or it is combined.
If you obtain it in paper form, online or from a station within the Gold Card area, the season ticket should be printed on Gold Card stock. That would then be your Gold Card. It would look something like this.

You would obtain a separate Gold Record Card if you obtain your season ticket in an electronic format (smartcard etc.).

2. What is the current price of Hatton to Lapworth season ticket.
£176 a year.

3. When you go and buy the ticket, do you just ask for season Hatton to Lapworth season or what do you ask for to get the gold card with it.
You should ask for that season, and check with the member of staff that they will be issuing it on Gold Card stock.

4. What are the current area and operators gold card can be used in.
See this map. Note that not all operators within the area participate - CrossCountry don't accept Gold Card north of Banbury, and Avanti and LNER don't accept it at all.

5. Do i also need to purchase a separate network rail card to get a third off train ticket or does the gold card serve this purpose also.
The Network Railcard is a different kind of Railcard. It offers similar benefits to the Annual Gold Cards, but over a smaller area and with more restrictions. The only advantage is that it can be used on Avanti and LNER.

With your Gold Card, you can buy any one-year Railcard (except the 16-17 Saver or Veterans Railcard) for yourself or a friend/family member for £10. So in theory you could buy a Network Railcard for £10, but there would not be much point.

6. When linking gold card to oyster, is this on register oyster card or pay as you go.
You need to have a registered Oyster card and go to an Underground station to get your discount applied. You will then receive 1/3 off Off-Peak PAYG fares and daily caps.

7. Currently what restrictions if any are there when using the gold card to buy returns train tickets, day travel card or single oyster journey.
The main one is that, on ordinary tickets (singles/returns/Travelcards), you cannot use a Gold Card discounted ticket before 09:30 Mondays-Fridays (except Bank Holidays). You also do not receive any discount on Advance tickets.

On Oyster, you will only receive a discount on Off-Peak PAYG fares and daily caps. There is no discount on Anytime fares, except that in the Oyster evening peak - 16:00-19:00 - anything you are charged will count towards your Off-Peak cap.
 

paul1609

Established Member
Joined
28 Jan 2006
Messages
4,966
Location
Wittersham Kent
I don't know how good they are at sending out the gold card record cards but you can buy the Southern Newhaven and Pevensey ones instantly online and download them on to the GTR key.They are both £180, £4 more than the Lapworth one.
When I registered my senior railcard on Keygo it took Southern 2 hours to update the card. The introduction of the Veterans Railcard means the Gold card is no longer advantageous for me.
 

kristiang85

Established Member
Joined
23 Jan 2018
Messages
1,717
Well apart from the odd member of staff who might take exception I guess. Not that hit one yet for the Exter season ticket but I did change the station I buy from in case of issues, as I was aware someone couldn't buy it on gold card stock and had to buy a more expensive one.

I had Exeter last year for around £160 (I think), but when I tried to renew this year in a ticket office they were charging nearly double that.

So I now have the Hatton one.
 

infobleep

Established Member
Joined
27 Feb 2011
Messages
10,698
I had Exeter last year for around £160 (I think), but when I tried to renew this year in a ticket office they were charging nearly double that.

So I now have the Hatton one.
Well, the ticket office must have made a mistake because I purchased mine for £156, which is the price on National Rail Enquiries. This was in July.

Can a Gold Record Card be issued on a smart card or is it just paper?
 

paul1609

Established Member
Joined
28 Jan 2006
Messages
4,966
Location
Wittersham Kent
Well, the ticket office must have made a mistake because I purchased mine for £156, which is the price on National Rail Enquiries. This was in July.

Can a Gold Record Card be issued on a smart card or is it just paper?
From the Southern website:
"If I buy my Annual Season ticket on a Key Smartcard, do I still receive my Gold Card benefits?
Yes you can. If your Annual Season ticket is for travel in the South East of England, you will still receive your Gold Card discounts on leisure rail travel for yourself and others, if your Season ticket is on the Key Smartcard. The only difference is you will receive a separate Gold Record Card in the post from your Key Smartcard, and your actual season ticket for travel will be held on your smartcard. Use your Gold Record Card when buying discounted tickets for yourself and others.

For further information about Annual Gold Card discounts please visit National Rail Enquiries."
 

infobleep

Established Member
Joined
27 Feb 2011
Messages
10,698
From the Southern website:
"If I buy my Annual Season ticket on a Key Smartcard, do I still receive my Gold Card benefits?
Yes you can. If your Annual Season ticket is for travel in the South East of England, you will still receive your Gold Card discounts on leisure rail travel for yourself and others, if your Season ticket is on the Key Smartcard. The only difference is you will receive a separate Gold Record Card in the post from your Key Smartcard, and your actual season ticket for travel will be held on your smartcard. Use your Gold Record Card when buying discounted tickets for yourself and others.

For further information about Annual Gold Card discounts please visit National Rail Enquiries."
I guess the only point in me getting my season ticket on a smart card is that it protects better from loss.

No other other reason as the gold record card is still paper based and I don't actually put my season ticket through any barriers.
 

Kite159

Veteran Member
Joined
27 Jan 2014
Messages
15,499
Location
West of Andover
Anybody tried to purchased a Lapworth - Hatton season ticket from the GWR website before? [To get the extra 2500 nectar points] [To see how reliable it is to printing on gold card stock]

Although a quick play seems the Pevensey Season ticket has free postage available, the Lapworth one doesn't have free postage available, so might be worth paying the extra £3 for a Pevensey season to save any potential hassle of it being sent on regular season ticket stock.
 

Cdd89

Member
Joined
8 Jan 2017
Messages
865
No other other reason as the gold record card is still paper based and I don't actually put my season ticket through any barriers.
Does it need to be presented along with the smart card, and/or does it require a photo card? I used to have a TfL annual travelcard and never knew how to prove GRC entitlement outside the Oyster area.

If the answer to both is “no”, then it could have the advantage of needing to carry less stuff.
 

Haywain

Established Member
Joined
3 Feb 2013
Messages
6,702
Does it need to be presented along with the smart card, and/or does it require a photo card? I used to have a TfL annual travelcard and never knew how to prove GRC entitlement outside the Oyster area.

If the answer to both is “no”, then it could have the advantage of needing to carry less stuff.
If you want a Gold Card discount, you must show the Gold Card Record card.
 

paul1609

Established Member
Joined
28 Jan 2006
Messages
4,966
Location
Wittersham Kent
Does it need to be presented along with the smart card, and/or does it require a photo card? I used to have a TfL annual travelcard and never knew how to prove GRC entitlement outside the Oyster area.

If the answer to both is “no”, then it could have the advantage of needing to carry less stuff.
From Southern website
"Season ticket identification
For season tickets held on The Key Smartcard, you may need to produce identification to prove that the card is yours. Suitable forms of identification include a pink photocard (which can be obtained from ticket offices), a passport or driving licence. If you are using your Key Smartcard for train travel on another operator’s services, you will need to obtain a pink photocard if you don’t already hold one."
 
Joined
17 Aug 2013
Messages
120
Anybody tried to purchased a Lapworth - Hatton season ticket from the GWR website before? [To get the extra 2500 nectar points] [To see how reliable it is to printing on gold card stock]
First year: Gold card stock.
Second year: Not gold card stock.

For year two it took a phone call and a couple of emails to get them to send a gold card record card.
 

Cbob

Member
Joined
4 Nov 2017
Messages
25
For those commuting using Oyster PAYG, that’s overly restrictive. You can get (some, perhaps not incredible) per-trip value with just an AM+PM journey where either the morning journey isn’t in the AM peak, or the evening journey isn’t in the PM peak. That’s a much wider group; half my office leaves at 4pm!

(And that’s before all the non-commuting patterns where there is far more obvious value — either justifying it on its own, or helping to justify a weaker ‘commuting’ case).
Was certainly useful for me before for long days at work, used to touch in ~0632 (TfL provide a little leeway) and return after the evening peak
 

73128

Member
Joined
8 Dec 2019
Messages
226
Location
Reading
You've missed;
-discounted 1st class travel
-in the old SWT area, the ability to continue to use free weekend tickets
the free SWT tickets went when SWR arrived (around the same time as the GWR season ticket travel benefits so i think DfT inspired) and the validity of those already issued was a year.
 

[.n]

Member
Joined
8 Apr 2016
Messages
556
the free SWT tickets went when SWR arrived (around the same time as the GWR season ticket travel benefits so i think DfT inspired) and the validity of those already issued was a year.
If you look around the forum, there are a number of posts that actually point out the validity, isn't a year, its contingent on still having an SWT/SWR area Annual Gold Card - it was a big discussion topic around a year after SWR came into existence for precisely this reason.
 

maniacmartin

Established Member
Associate Staff
Senior Fares Advisor
Joined
15 May 2012
Messages
5,236
Location
Croydon
One thing to note with Gold Record cards as you have to allow for the time for them to be printed and posted. My other half bought an annual Travelcard on Oyster online from TfL a few years ago around New Year, and it took about 2 weeks for the record card to arrive in the post. This was a bit annoying as there were a few journeys in early January which it would have been useful for
 

Top