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baz962

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There's a series on Netflix called 'Dirty Money' which is a set of documentaries about different subjects one of which in the first series is focused on Donald Trump and showing how he's a total fraud and terrible at business. His Dad is essentially who Trumps makes himself out to be and it features the Apprentice producers horrified at his presidency and feel they are partially to blame as they made out he was a great business person despite the fact even when they were filming showing successful Trump projects worth huge amounts of money had already gone bust. In the second series they take an episode to focus on Jared Kushner and his property company which seem a good match for Trump, they were showing these properties built on the outskirts of towns that were a very poor standard not even meeting basic safety regulations.

On top of that tenants were subject to a destructive penalty fee system that would mean a payment being late even by a day was subject to fees and costs they weren't expecting so they'd then unintentionally 'miss' the next payment even though they had paid the normal amount on time. This would quickly snowball until the tenants couldn't afford it and were hammered even more so for it. The person speaking with them for the program had difficulty hiding their shock when some of these tenants made it clear they were ardent Trump supporters because 'he knows business' even though that business is totally screwing them over. I knew Trump initially had a lot of supporters in these rust belt communities but you'd have thought he would have lost many of them now as they realised he didn't give a toss about them but that doesn't seem the case.
Thanks for that. Some people just don't get it/care. On one news program yesterday , an interviewer was talking to people protesting against lockdown in the us and one at the end was saying Trump 2020.
 
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I knew Trump initially had a lot of supporters in these rust belt communities but you'd have thought he would have lost many of them now as they realised he didn't give a toss about them but that doesn't seem the case.
Trumpism is a cult.
I had to search for the correct term for what I was going to post, which explains this phenomenon. It's call Escalation of Commitment - there are a fair number of Trump supporters who don't really support him any more at a personal level, but they'll continue to express support simply so they don't have to admit that their support was misplaced in the first place.
 

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He is telling people to inject disinfectant as a virus treatment now apparently.
He's not dug his heels in over this now has he? I thought the hydroxychloroquine debacle would have been enough to convince him that maybe he really should leave doctoring to the doctors.
 

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I don't which is worse really the fact that this man is the president or the likely hood that the many Americans will vote him in for a second term.
Well if his adherants are true to form, they might follow his advice, thereby making a crucial adjustment to his majority. :)
 

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He's not dug his heels in over this now has he? I thought the hydroxychloroquine debacle would have been enough to convince him that maybe he really should leave doctoring to the doctors.
He seems to take one subject and completely transform it into something dangerous. At least one person has died from his 'advice' recently, i'm sure there are more. This is one example from yesterday where the subject was merely about bleach/disinfectants being able to kill the virus in saliva or respiratory fluids within five minutes. Trump turned it into....

“The disinfectant knocks it out in a minute. One minute,” he said. “Is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside?” He said it would be “almost a cleaning. It gets in the lungs and does a tremendous number on the lungs.”
 

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Despite Trump's comments being broadcast live for all the world to see him making them, the White House is trying to claim the press is taking them out of context.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said. "Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context and run with negative headlines."
It wasn't clear, and the White House did not elaborate, on what, if anything, was taken "out of context" in news reports quoting the president's own words as seen on national television and streams.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/war...-ingestion-deadly-wh-claims/story?id=70328631
 

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I wonder whatever happened to Sarah (Huckabee-)Sanders - she was quite good at the mental gymnastics that you need as Trump's press secretary - maybe we shall see her in Tokyo '21
 

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I wonder whatever happened to Sarah (Huckabee-)Sanders - she was quite good at the mental gymnastics that you need as Trump's press secretary - maybe we shall see her in Tokyo '21
She walked. Two years was probably as much as she could take.

I gather she is limbering up - not for the Olympics but to stand as governor for her home state.
 

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I had to search for the correct term for what I was going to post, which explains this phenomenon. It's call Escalation of Commitment - there are a fair number of Trump supporters who don't really support him any more at a personal level, but they'll continue to express support simply so they don't have to admit that their support was misplaced in the first place.
Amazing how the diehard survivalists that form part of the Trump base, with their lock themselves in, repel all boarders with a show of arms, if not actually shooting, philosophy suddenly find, after being told they're being advised to do most of that, are the first to rebel and say they need their 'freedom' back. Headless chicken syndrome!
 

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Apparently it was all sarcasm to see how the press would react!

"When you're explainin', you're losin'. Ronald Reagan
All sarcasm, and definitely nothing to do with the MMS (Miracle Mineral Solution) peddlers lobbying Trump.


And yes, MMS is nothing more than bleach.
 

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He is telling people to inject disinfectant as a virus treatment now apparently.
With all the furore this caused in the media, how about he has the first injection and sees what happens... Oh, then again he probably won't be alive to see what happens - unless he actually listens to the people that really do know about the absurdity of his suggestion, whether it was said as sarcasm or not.
 

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With all the furore this caused in the media, how about he has the first injection and sees what happens
As with 99% of the media messes that this administration has faced, this was entirely self-induced. First by having the President speaking at the briefings (completely unnecessary after the first one), secondly by allowing him to turn them into campaign rallies (they should never have been), and finally and most destructively completely screwing the clean-up. First by having the press secretary say that he was being quoted out of context (difficult to quote someone out of context when the whole exchange is on video), then by DJT claiming that he was being sarcastic with the press (again, video showed that there was not even the slightest hint of sarcasm) and finally by claiming that he never spoke with Dr. Brix (once again, video).

It's Sharpie-gate all over again. That rumbled on for a week or more because he just couldn't manage to say "I made a mistake."
 

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From what I've seen of him on TV, then he's the sort of idiot that doesn't accept when he's made a mistake, just tries to find an excuse for not apologising.
There may be a vacancy in North Korea - why doesn't he offer to buy the country and become its president? Apologies to all the North Koreans, who won't be able to read this anyway.
 

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President Donald Trump has said he "can't imagine why" US hotline calls about disinfectant have risen after he suggested injecting the substance to treat coronavirus.

The governors of Michigan and Maryland on Sunday blamed the president for the spike in such calls.

Following heavy criticism from medical professionals, Mr Trump said his remarks were made sarcastically.

Disinfectants are hazardous substances and can be poisonous if ingested.

During Monday's Covid-19 news conference, a reporter noted that the state of Maryland's emergency hotline had received hundreds of calls in recent days seeking guidance about Mr Trump's comments.

"I can't imagine why," the president said, moving quickly on. "I can't imagine that."

When asked whether he took responsibility at all for the increase in calls, Mr Trump replied: "No, I don't."
Sigh.

 

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At least the VP keeps him in check, oh...


US Vice-President Mike Pence has visited a top US hospital without wearing a mask, despite the medical centre's own rules that visitors should wear personal protective equipment.

Mr Pence appeared to be the only person present without a facial covering at the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota.

In a deleted tweet, the clinic said the vice-president had been notified in advance of its policy requiring masks.

Mr Pence leads the White House coronavirus taskforce.

He defended his decision as necessary in order to meet with staff and patients.

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So no surprise that hundreds of Americans are defying their State's lockdown rules then?
In the USA, almost nothing surprises any more. The root of many of the protests is the fact that the American psyche is wedded to a concept of personal freedom and civil liberties to an extent that is hard to comprehend over here. "Live free or die" is more than motto to many so it stands to reason that they would rather that (someone else) died rather than have their "freedom" constrained.
 

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So no surprise that hundreds of Americans are defying their State's lockdown rules then?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52417610 and many, many otherplaces.
Hundreds? Thousands. You've now got the likes of Elon Musk publicly campaigning for ease of the restrictions. Meanwhile a main organizer of North Carolina's anti-lockdown demonstrations is in the news once more.. she's just tested positive for Covid-19. Anyway, that's for another topic area..

In the USA, almost nothing surprises any more. The root of many of the protests is the fact that the American psyche is wedded to a concept of personal freedom and civil liberties to an extent that is hard to comprehend over here. "Live free or die" is more than motto to many so it stands to reason that they would rather that (someone else) died rather than have their "freedom" constrained.
Absolutely correct. This psyche is what drives so much US behaviour, and why so many experiments and vague attempts at 'socialism lite' have failed at both a state and federal level. What makes sense for so many parts of the world makes zero sense for Americans - even for many of those who vote Democrat. I believe in order to properly understand how it works you have to immerse yourself in their culture - not movies and TV shows - and actually talk to Americans. Then you'll understand it, even if you don't embrace their views.
 
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I don't normally have much cotter when it comes to politicians, and other similar people. However, this discussion has amused me to the point of absurdity, and made me wonder whether the 'so-called' leader of the free world is naïve or just genuinely stupid? Take the latest news reports.

US President Donald Trump has said China "will do anything they can" to make him lose his re-election bid, stepping up his criticism of Beijing amid the coronavirus pandemic.

In a White House interview with Reuters news agency, he said Beijing faced a "lot" of possible consequence from the US for the outbreak. He said China should have let the world know about the contagion much sooner.

Mr Trump himself is often accused of not doing enough to tackle the crisis.

The coronavirus has ravaged a formerly humming US economy that had been the president's main selling point for his re-election campaign in November.
US media reported earlier in the day that Mr Trump had erupted at political advisers last Friday evening about internal polling that showed him losing in critical states...

The US president also reportedly snapped at his campaign manager, Brad Parscale, who had called in from Florida. He cursed at Mr Parscale and at one point mentioned suing him, according to CNN and the Washington Post, though it is unclear how serious was his threat of legal action.
On the subject of travel and social distancing...
Earlier on Wednesday, Mr Trump said he would not be renewing his government social distancing guidelines once they expire on Thursday. The guidelines - which were originally supposed to last 15 days and were then extended an additional 30 - encouraged Americans to work from home and avoid large gatherings, while advising those with underlying health conditions to self-isolate.

After more than a month being stuck mainly at the White House, Mr Trump said he plans to resume travel, starting with a trip to Arizona next week. He told reporters he hopes to hold mass campaign rallies in the coming months with thousands of supporters.

The US currently accounts for around a third of all coronavirus cases worldwide. Its death toll - at more than 60,000 - has in six weeks surpassed the number of Americans killed in the two decades of the Vietnam War.
 

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