Dovetail Games - Train Simulator

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  1. AdamF

    AdamF Member

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    Hello,

    If I was to purchase Train Simulator 2019, would it be easy for me to find routes to add-on to it, or is it best for me to just purchase the latest 2020 game?
     
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  3. Crossover

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    I think it always has to be registered via Steam where it auto updates. I have always purchased direct through Steam so can't attest to third party sellers
     
  4. JohnMcL7

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    There's two different games, Train Simulator 2020 and Train Sim World 2020 which are quite different to each other.

    Train simulator 2020 is the old version and if you have the previous year's version you get upgraded to each new base game for free. I can't remember how many years ago I bought the game but I have access to the current 2020 in my library. There's a truly mammoth amount of optional DLC offering a vast range of locomotives and routes but the game very much shows its age and the graphics are basic, I wasn't keen on the game as I find it fiddly and not very enjoyable.

    Train Sim World 2020 is a brand new game with a completely new engine but it's not compatible with any the old DLC and the range of DLC is small It's getting better and there's now a few UK locomotives and routes, I find the design much better as routes are shorter and the game is simplified a bit which I find makes it a lot more enjoyable but I've seen some reviews where people despise this simplification and prefer the original game.
     
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    The latter is more graphics intensive too - it is built on the Unreal engine I believe so the graphics are nicer and it handles detail much better (on the 'older' game, certain routes lag even on a machine with a decent graphics card)
     
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    I'm currently running trains with almost all of the head up display help turned off using the AWS. However I'm not yet sure how the speed limits work. Am I supposed to be at the signposted speed by the time I pass the speed limit sign or is there an allowed slowing down time /distance ? Thanks for all replies.
     
  7. ainsworth74

    ainsworth74 Forum Staff Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Just like driving a car you have to be at the speed limit by the time you pass the marker. Some particularly adverse speed changes (say 100mph to 50mph) will be marked in advance with (if I remember rightly) a yellow triangle and the new speed along with usually an AWS trigger. When you pass those they are your final warning that you're about to hit a speed restriction but they're not usually that far from the restriction itself so if you've not started braking yet you'll probably struggle to hit the new limit.
     
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    For decreases it's when the front of the train reaches the board. Say the limit is 100 dropping to 90, you have to be at 90 when the front of the train gets to the speed board.

    For increases it's when the back of the train has passed the board. If the limit was 100 going up to 110, you can only accelerate to 110 once the whole train has entered the new speed limit - when the back of the last vehicle has passed the board.

    As Ainsworth says, many significant drops in speed are protected by warning boards (known as "Morpeth" boards) and AWS, the rule used to be that it was required for reductions of 30% of greater, not sure if that's exactly the case still.
     
  9. Bill EWS

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    I know of the incident but when did the use of "Morpeth Board" come about! In my 42 years on the footplate I never ever heard the term used or used it myself. Was it perhaps a Northeast preference rather than a overall use?

    In regard to "How long is a speed check" the answer was "As long as your train".
     
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    Introduced after the 1969 derailment at the aforementioned location. The original style was different to the present triangular one, which was first trialled at Bishopbriggs in the early 1980s along with a number of other designs.
     
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    Accident leading to use was 7th May 1969, but the first signs didn't appear until 1971, ironically under the original method for deciding which restrictions should have one, only one side of the approach to the Morpeth curve qualified for one I seem to recall
     
  12. Bill EWS

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    Yes, Hxagon789, I remember the changes but still never used the term "Morpeth Board". I first noticed this use by a chap with the User name PTGRail who made excellent Tuitional Videos of YouTube of TS 2019 Scenearios and questioned this once but never got a reply on how extensive the ue of the term was.
     
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    I've not seen what Network Rail calls it in their signalling standards document, but tbh I'd argue the modern triangular advance warning signs are not 'Morpeth boards' only the original design is technically.

    This is the original 'Morpeth Board' design:
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    I'd argue that that and only that design is a 'Morpeth Board', the current one is simply an AWI - Advance Warning Indicator.
     
  14. TheEdge

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    I have never heard anyone call them Morpeth boards. That name only ever seems to be trotted out when someone wants to sound smart.
     
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    Fair enough, the term has been used on this forum and in a number of railway-related publications but it's difficult to know whether it has any official bearing
     
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    The Rulebook lists them as 'Warning Indicators'

    Quote from Rulebook Glossary
     
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    The current style certainly, but what about the original ones brought in due to the 1969 Morpeth derailment?
     
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    1969 was a little before my time :lol:

    Might need someone with a historic rulebook. The terminology has been mentioned on this board before and I fully accept the history behind them. I'm from the good side of the river.... I've never heard of them being called Morpeth Boards but t'up norf, Things may be different. I still get creeped out when this board says 'reversals' I still can't quite get it :/
     
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    And you rail staff always pooh-pooh train sim but look at you know taking part in a thread in the simulation sub-forum :lol:
     
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    If it’s an accurate representation of real life, the warning board for a reduction in speed ( a white triangle with the speed limit within it) will give plenty of space to slow from the line speed of the train you’re driving, to the actual commencement board (service braking distance). It’s generally measured on the train with the worst braking. Obviously common sense should prevail a little bit if the weather is rubbish or railhead conditions a bit slippy.
     
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    I mean the physics on Train Sim truly is terrible and TSW isn't much better! :lol:

    But I still consider the 1,558 hours recorded on Train Sim according to Steam (and however more on Trainz) as basically an apprenticeship course!
     
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    Thanks for all the comments. It does appear that the term may have just been banded about by locals and those closer to the actual incident.
    Another puzzling one for me in Train Sim is that of asking to pass a signal at danger from the cab. I have also never heard of this being a rule! And most certainly not while on the move. You would only pass a signal at danger after communications with the signalman involved and that would be by leaving the cab and walking to the phone on/at the control signal. Under the National phone system you could have control call you up and explain difficulties ahead, even asking you to come to a stand at a particular place or even, as I had in once such incidence, change the route the train (Freight) would take at the next junction as your train Needed to be diverted from the booked route due to problems over that route.
     
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    Because it's a £25 game. That said, it's also used for basic classroom based driver training.
     
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    The term can be heard being used by the traction inspectors in one of the Railscene cab rides (a good 30 years old). Perhaps the term was used semi-officially in the past but has faded out of common use?
     
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    They use TSW for basic driver training? Who’s this and do they not have a simulator of their own? :E
     
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    Train Simulator, not TSW. And yes they have full size (and very expensive!) simulators but due to the sheer amount of drivers needed they required an entry solution.
     
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    I don't think this function in Train Simulator is supposed to be realistic, I think it's designed for use when the in-game signalling develops a fault, you can use it to bypass a signal showing red when it really should be green (and the player and simulator both know it should be green), hence why you don't have to come to a stop to use it. If you try and tab past a red signal which is supposed to be at red (eg if a train is immediately in front) then the simulator won't let you (it gives a ''Permission to pass signal at danger denied" message, or similar), and passing the signal anyway would be considered a SPAD.
     
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    I think your Rulebook is out of date.

    Does Train Sim have a GSMR ?
     
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    Some DLC does, but to a very limited extent. IE: one puts in the train ID & starting signal.
     
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    Here are a few more photos taken in and around the powers staton that have been omitted from the previous two photo sets. Taken in September 2004.
    Didcot Power Station Sept. 2004 (Additional photos).
     
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    Hey all, my nephew is obsessed with very specifically the Class 390 Pendolino in Virgin livery. Yep, doesn't count in Green or unbranded - has to be Virgin. Voyagers are no good either.

    He is getting a PS4 for his 7th birthday next week. I said I'd get him this game so he can drive the Pendolino, however I'm struggling to work out which game will have it.

    Happy to buy the base game if I need to then download it as an add-on. But please if somebody could advise best solution, would be great!

    Cheers
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