Drop in passenger numbers sees train services cut

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  1. 43066

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    No problem with that under the circumstances, they are the correct people to do it. Not the staff themselves.

    I only hope people start to follow the advice being given so we don’t end up facing even greater restrictions.
     
  2. Bald Rick

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    There will be early services, not least for rail staff themselves to get around. GTR have a lot of drivers off though, so short notice alterations can still be expected.
     
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    To slow the spread of a pandemic we need to reduce the numbers of people moving around. To reduce the transmission of a virus we need to keep further apart and avoid confined spaces.

    A crowded tube train seems to be an incubator for spreading the virus.

    In earlier times I regularly walked from KX to the City or Westminster. Not practical for longer distances, but asking the question "is your journey really necessary?" seems very reasonable. Many are, but some won't be.

    How the question is asked and where needs understanding on both sides as to why it needs asking.

    We haven't got all the right answers. Over the next 2-5 years we'll have taken time to see how we could have done better. In the meantime we'll see inconsistencies in our approach.

    Cancelling all passenger trains must remain an option, but it's not one any government would easily take.
     
  4. Bletchleyite

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    Making them free of charge but only to provable key workers would be better than doing this. Random checks by BTP and fines if caught. £30 is taking the mick, though, it should be £300 at least.
     
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    How else are you going to make tin foil hats while bored in quarantine?
     
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    The tin foil hattery going on here is a bit cringe-inducing. Perceive this as a conspiracy if it suits your platform but meanwhile life will go on and this lockdown will end.
     
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    No, but I speaking to someone that travels in that way to work and he had a whole coach to himself.
     
  8. AY1975

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    The Avanti website appears to indicate that Avanti West Coast is still offering a near-normal on-board catering service except that cutlery, cups and dishes will be removed from First Class tables and only provided where needed, reusable coffee cups will not be accepted in the on-board shop, cash payment will not be accepted on trains or at stations, and all First Class lounges are closed.

    As far as I can make out, just about all train operators that normally have on-board catering have withdrawn it except:

    AWC (see above)
    Caledonian Sleeper: Room service breakfast only, no breakfast, evening meal or drinks in the Club Car.
    Great Western: Reduced on-board service, no Pullman Dining.

    The Grand Central and South Western Railway websites do not appear to indicate whether they have withdrawn on-train catering.

    GWR is now trolley-only so if they still have their on-board trolleys then they will still have catering staff moving around the train. The GWR website only mentions a reduced on-board service and withdrawal of Pullman Dining, and doesn't go into the specifics. I suppose that could mean that the trolleys will only serve from one particular point in the train instead of providing the usual at-seat service, though.
     
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    I presume that means no Chiltern loco-hauleds, then, or are some of the Marylebone-Birminghams loco-hauled?
     
  10. MontyP

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    Why have LNER not cut their service as much as say Avanti or GWR? Looks like there are still at least 3 out of the usual 5 intercity services leaving KX every hour. Still running the Hull evening service as well.
     
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    Depends, I guess, on the staff they've got.
     
  12. westv

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    Presumably because LNER think it's still needed.
     
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    Or is it because an emergency timetable for this particular scenario (no speed restrictions, no diversions) needed some extra planning to get it right for the medium term, and taking out 25% was a quick fix? The extensions beyond Edinburgh have gone subsequently.
    EMT are similar with an almost full peak service but 60% offpeak cuts.
     
  14. AY1975

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    The CrossCountry website says XC will not be serving Doncaster, Bath Spa, Torquay, Paignton, Guildford, stations west of Plymouth, or beyond Edinburgh to Glasgow, Dundee or Aberdeen. I didn't think XC normally served Bath Spa anyway.
     
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    There is one early morning service from Bath Spa to Glasgow Central as an extension of the hourly Bristol service to Scotland, I think it departs at 06:10.
     
  16. leedstraindude

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    This will be changing next week with more reductions.
     
  17. The Lad

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    Is there any evidence that timekeeping has improved?
     
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    I see from Monday there will be no Gatwick Express services. They were half hourly I believe but are currently just hourly.

    This makes sense as I read that there are times when they usually cart around fresh air, so running them now in place of other services elsewhere doesn't seem right in terms of priorities. I wonder if they were a separate TOC would they stop them? Good job they aren't.
    https://www.gatwickexpress.com/trav...411070000#INC1F67D8B3B4024F968B4F73B6DC7BD48B
     
  19. Meerkat

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    Isn’t Gatwick effectively shutdown?
     
  20. infobleep

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    More than likely but I don't know. They are still planning to run the Gatwick Express services until Sunday.
     
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    As with Heathrow, there are still some flights, and both services are used a lot by airport workers as the relevant Airport Authorities have secured hefty discounts for their staff using them. (Heathrow Ltd staff for example get 75% off HEX fares)
     
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    Does anyone know/can anyone say if TPE are reducing again from next week please?
     
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    Go to http://trains.im.ppm
    Latest one I looked at a few minutes ago was showing an impressive 93% RT, with only West Midlands well down; many TOCS in the 90% range, Merseyrail and SER doing particularly well.
     
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    Fascinating. Didn't know about that one.

    I suspect the reason GWR aren't doing well is rhat they are cancelling the services each night rather than in advance. So they still show up in the system, abet cancelled.

    Not sure why they are doing that when others are not but they must have their reasons.

    Not sure about the West Midlands though.
     
  25. MDB1images

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    Think the diagrams change for crews but not heard of a timetable change as yet(not to say it won't happen as I think all TOCs said they will review the emergency timetable).
     
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    Well speaking as a "Key Worker" I have enjoyed commuting from Falkirk to Edinburgh on a daily basis during the current situation.

    My journey in on the 1725 is a joy with a carriage to myself never mind a seat !!!

    Coming back the 0623 from Haymarket to Falkirk was never over patronised and is now virtually empty bar myself.

    The Stations are dead as is the city with the closure of all the Bars and Restaurants.

    My place of work has been cleared out with most of them working from home making my life a lot easier - I Player all the way.

    Hope it carries on for many more weeks - not people being ill but the new calm in Edinburgh.

    Only slight fear is they may axe the or further restrict the Train Services and I have to get the Car out of cold storage - mind you with the price of petrol plummeting !!!
     
  27. infobleep

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    According to Sadiq Khan, the overcrowding on Monday was caused my fewer trains arriving into the major terminals and a build up of people as passengers arrived on fewer trains.

    They have asked some trains not to stop at the busiest London Underground interchanges.
    https://www.london.gov.uk/coronavirus/statement-coronavirus-covid-19

    Does anyone have any examples where trains are skipping statioms?
     
  28. Meerkat

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    ermm doesn’t that worsen the concentration of passengers wanting to interchange??
     
  29. J-P_L

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    Look on RTT for Monday/Tuesday as updated timetables are on now.

    Liverpool-York-Newcastle/Scarborough
    Broadly the same with an earlier and later Newcastle service and a later service to/from Scarborough (still two hourly to SCA and two hourly to NCL).

    Leeds-Hull
    Leeds-Manchester Piccadilly

    The self contained Leeds-Hull cease and the Piccadilly to Leeds stopper extends every 2 hours in its place (calling South Milford, Selby, Howden (in peaks), Brough and Hull) with services until 2200/2300.
    Manchester Piccadilly to Leeds continues to call at all stations.

    York-Redcar
    Manchester Airport-Redcar

    There’s 2 extra trains per day (giving 4 hourly frequency) from Redcar Central and 2 of these now go to Manchester Airport but run Calder Valley don’t call at Dewsbury or Huddersfield (0707 and 1107 from Redcar) with 2 TPD in the opposite direction from airport to Redcar (1110 and 1510) which don’t call at Manchester Vic, Huddersfield or Dewsbury. No stations between Picc and Airport are served.

    Newcastle to Edinburgh
    Two journeys each way between Newcastle and Edinburgh per day calling at Morpeth, Alnmouth, Berwick and Dunbar.

    Scottish WCML
    As per current timetable

    Cleethorpes-Manchester
    As per current timetable
     
  30. AY1975

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    Yes, it appears that LNER's daily Hull train will be withdrawn from next week, although Hull Trains will still be running. LNER is keeping its daily Lincoln train, although unlike Hull Lincoln isn't served by any other operator's direct London trains.
     

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